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Hi, welcome back to Behind the Paddle. I am Porcelain Victoria. And I'm Emily Son. Yeah. And we are here today to talk about edging and chassis cages. It's gonna be so fun. Um today, well, we had a lovely comment on one of our Twitter posts, and it was a question. Somebody wanted advice. Which leads us to this episode. So the question was continually edging for weeks. Is it dangerous? No, this person did edging for a numerous amount of weeks. He didn't die, thankfully. But he just wants to know if there are any risks or if it is dangerous or anything like that. So that's what we're gonna discuss today. How edging can enhance your life, your partner's life, your playmate's life, and the origins of edging.

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And where some of these kind of preconceived notions of it being like dangerous or bad can come from.

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Um because I want to say the majority of us growing up has heard like, oh, if you masturbate too much, you'll go blind.

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You'll get hairy palms. That's a new one. I've never heard that before. I think I've never like heard that in person, but just heard it like referenced in like TV shows and stuff.

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I mean, if you're a fairy, that I feel like they would enjoy that. Fairy palms, definitely an interesting sensation. Yeah. Could you imagine that with sensory play or something? What is this? You feel that is my wanking hand. Oh god. Oh, that would be so bad. Just walking down the street and you just see people with just hairy palms.

SPEAKER_02: 2:15

It's funny that you've never seen that.

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Like But there are blind people about, which is very very talent who wanks. So if you are not familiar with edging, edging is basically where you continuously wank, but you get right up to the end of where you think you're about to come and you stop.

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And you can do wait and then you start again, and you do that over and over.

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And it's just continuous.

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Yep.

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It's torture for me at least. I fucking hate it. Don't fucking nah me. Nah. Nope. It's torture. Some people really, really enjoy it. I do not.

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I quite enjoy it.

SPEAKER_03: 3:15

It's it's no, just let me have my fucking happy ending. I I have You can tell you're bright. I have a vagina. I can go on forever. Just give me not even five minutes and I'll go again. It'll be fine. There's no need to fucking edge me. Yes, I'm bright, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 3:44

Some of the other terms for edging are like gunning and surfing is another one that I came across that I haven't actually heard of before. Um Australian a bit like edging, but it's not like letting yourself come down from like the plateau, for want of a better word. So it's like keeping yourself right on the edgy orgasm for like an extended period of time and kind of entering like almost like a trance like state with it.

SPEAKER_03: 4:11

Um just envisioning that of it. Sounds like hard fucking work. Yeah. That's very I don't know if I've got the willpower for that. That's so evil. I might have to try that in a few sessions. I probably have to be fair, but I've just never considered it having like a term, yeah, like a word that comes with it.

SPEAKER_02: 4:42

It makes sense that there's like the distinction, because I feel like they're like different things.

SPEAKER_03: 4:46

Oh, absolutely. Like because like it's very fucking nice just um getting somebody right on the edge and then just being especially if you're doing it, yeah. And then just being like, oh no, no, just taking your hand off and whatnot, and just like nope, and just sitting back and just watching it twitch. Or or if it's a vagina, just staring at it.

SPEAKER_02: 5:10

Um and then gunin' is basically edging, but like over a long longer period of time. Um, so like for weeks, like what what are guys speaking about? Um it's quite like an internet term.

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Yes, I've seen a lot of mistresses use that.

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Yeah, it's become quite popular on Twitter and stuff the last week. I've seen it a lot.

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I love it, because like when when you think about goon, I think about Batman and like all the size, like all the um like jokers goons and stuff. That's where I fucking feel.

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I think that's where it comes from. So it's like basically you're doing that over such an extended period of time that you're like shutting your brain off and just becoming like a goon.

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Like oh, yeah.

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So there is quite a lot of people, like I don't I don't know if I might call it a lifestyle. I don't know if that's like a step too far. It certainly like appears that way when people are discussing it online, but I don't know how many people are like actually just like existing like that long term.

SPEAKER_03: 6:12

I don't know. Does does anybody actually get off to being called a goon? I'm sure somebody does, um, because there's loads of different things which people get off to, but I get maybe it's the same as just being called pathetic, yeah. Like in the same manner of like the rush, the adrenaline, the endorphins, all that stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I can see that because like kind of being useless, but for that one thing, like exactly one person, because that's like it in my head, it's like being brainwashed, yeah. Totally. Um just being of service to that one person, being a goon to that one person. Again, Batman.

SPEAKER_02: 6:55

Something like we're gonna touch on a bit later on as well, is like people do actually use edging for spiritual practices and kind of getting into like kind of trance like states and stuff like that. So like it makes sense with the brainwashing thing, like it could actually be like it's putting you into like an altered state of mind to then be like controlled or changed in some way.

SPEAKER_03: 7:14

Like oh yeah. Uh when you said spiritual, there are people out there who uni uni. Uni? Uni. Let me like oh uni massages.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. Is that no uni?

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Yumi, yuni.

SPEAKER_03: 7:34

It's something, it's something. I just give myself a tickle. I'd rather somebody else doesn't do it to me. Like you don't care what it's called. No, I'll I'll I'll give myself a wee little cry afterwards. Like, I don't need somebody to go up there for me. Uh yeah, you you me wait what? It's something. Yes, Yumi massage. Um, and that is like when they go up inside and like touch you, and like it's very spiritual. Uh-huh. Um is it like a trauma block type thing? Or yeah, it's meant to help with trauma, it's meant to help um previous experiences, and it it's meant to help a lot spiritually, apparently. I've heard that it doesn't work, I've heard that it depends who you do it with. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 8:34

It'll depend person to person. Even like therapy, do you know what I mean? Doesn't it always work? Like you need to go therapist, and like it needs to be the right thing for you. Exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 8:44

That the like that was just with you saying um spiritual and stuff that it just popped into my head. Uh that there are just different ways of pleasing oneself and stuff like that. Um yeah. What else is there? We are we gonna talk about the educational side?

SPEAKER_02: 9:08

Yeah, either that or I don't know if you want to have a chat about just like edging and BDSM and like what it's kinda places in it. Um and like if you've got any experiences you like working with people where it's been like a long-term-ish thing.

SPEAKER_03: 9:23

Oh long term, well, for at first in the pro world it's very fucking difficult to have somebody long term and for them to actually respect everything about the job. Yeah. Um, never mind lifestyle, that's even more difficult. Actually, finding somebody who you're on the same wavelengths with and everything like that. Um but work-wise, um I've had a few subs who are caged. Um I'm trying to think there was one currently who is caged.

SPEAKER_02: 10:02

So what does that like typically involve? Like, would you have them do like edge-in on themselves or it's all different with each one, really?

SPEAKER_03: 10:12

It all depends on what they enjoy. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, the way I see BDSM and a partnership of any type is 50-50.

SPEAKER_02: 10:23

Yeah, totally.

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Uh, I I understand some mistresses take a hundred percent control and don't in any way, shape, or form have the c care about the feedback or the comments of the submissive. But I'm sure we can talk about that another time. Yeah. Um yeah, it all depends. And the way I do chastity anyway in work is that I sell the packages. I haven't done um chastity, I think, in lifestyle, really. It's it's okay, but I I again it's just finding the right person to do it with and stuff. Yeah. Um, it's very nice and very controlling.

SPEAKER_02: 11:12

Um so what is chastity then for our listeners that maybe aren't aware of that?

SPEAKER_03: 11:18

It's locking away your parts, looking away your private parts. Yeah. And you can get um vagina chastities as well. Um, they're called uh chastity belts. They're a bit more. I mean, I'm sure I'll still be able to have a fucking wank, even with a chastity belt on. But the penis chastity cages, you can get many different ones. With vaginas, usually it is just a metal, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 11:50

Like they just keep you look like pants almost. Yeah, like yes.

SPEAKER_03: 11:54

Somebody needs to create something else. But it's it's just underwear basically for vagina wearers. Um whereas with penises, you can get silicone, you can get 3D printed, because I do make 3D printed chastity cages for um for some subs. So is that something like you provide then? Yeah, for a price. Yeah. And then I I've done it for mistresses and their subs, and like put the mistresses' uh initials on their nice. Um yeah, you can get silicone, 3D printed, you can get metal, plastic. I think that's roundabouts. I'm not too sure. Uh and it's it's not one size fits all. Yeah. That is something which a lot of people do not understand. The amount of times when somebody's inquiring for a session and they've asked, Oh, do you bring the chastity cage? And I'm like, No. Some mistresses do, but I do not because I've just learned that you know your own penis, or at least you should do. You you need to measure it, you need to buy your own stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 13:20

Yeah. You're always better getting like a custom one. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 13:25

Yeah. Because I've met people who they say they have a big penis, cool. And like they don't usually fit the chastity cages. Yeah. Um, or if they've got massive bollocks, usually the rings that you can get are like one size only, usually, and you can't alter them and or you can't find an attachment or anything like that which alters the rings. So I'd I'd say custom is best, honestly. It's more expensive, but it's worth it if you enjoy it. I'd say if you want to try it, um you can get a shitty little one and just see it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, plastic is probably your cheapest option, but it might rub, it might hurt. For God forbid, do not get fucking stuck in it. I had a sub who put on a ring too small and like his bollocks blew up overnight. And I was like, why did you keep that on? Yeah, surely that woke him up. Like, yeah, yeah, he couldn't sleep or anything like that. Um that I've I've witnessed that multiple times where subs they wear a chastity cage, but it's way too uncomfortable. They can't even like sleep, and it's like that that's not good in any way. That like it why? Just find one that is comfortable for you. Um but yeah, with chastity, like it's quite difficult, I guess, long distance because uh one, I trust no motherfucker, yeah, like masturbation is like too much a temptation, yeah. Exactly, exactly. Um it's like you need trust. But usually either they have a key and they send me the other one, yeah, or I just get both of them. Yeah, but you need to remember to also clean yourself, yeah. That's a big thing. Yeah, you need to remember to do that, which again, so I don't feel like most people realize. Like, how does your penis get clean? How does your vagina get clean? Because with vaginas, you need to clean them like literally once a day or more, apparently, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 16:03

Like, I feel like more than once a day you're gonna like potentially upset your your chemistry, but as long as it's water, yeah, yeah. Alright.

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Um, because when you do wash your vagina, it should be a little bit of soap and water.

SPEAKER_02: 16:16

Um not your actual vagina, not inside, yeah, not inside. Just on the outside. Yeah. But the reason why we're talking about chastity is because like it kind of runs along the same lines of like people thinking it's dangerous is like from them not, like ejaculating, which obviously chastity has the same, like where if you're doing it again depends on the person, depends on the agreement, but if you're wearing chastity every day long term, then you shouldn't be ejaculating is or at least not from what you're doing. Like I know it can like happen in your sleep and stuff like that. That's quite like a wet dream. Like your body sorts it out basically, actually.

SPEAKER_03: 17:08

Like an another thing with chastity, a myth that like your penis gets smaller.

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Yep.

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Long term, long term, um, it doesn't, it doesn't. Um if you go without it for a few days, chastity, your penis will go back to normal size and whatnot. Uh like I know it's I'm sorry, I've just burst a bubble of so many people. Yeah, wanting smaller peepees, but it it's the truth. Like you you can look it up and like it it goes smaller, it does, but you need to upkeep that.

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Yeah, like a lot of permanent like change.

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Um if you take interesting in its cell, do you know like you're not like risking like permanent life changes, you know, like it's always something that can go back with it because as I say to most people, like your kink can absolutely change. So like what what if you had a small PPE and then one month later you're even ten years later, you know, like life is long you should beat it. And your penis could be long the wind just put outside the car window and let it feel the air. Don't do that, but yeah, that is like another myth as well, which comes alongside with um edging, just loads of myths that come with it and it comes out okay. Um but yeah, you can do so much with chastity and so much with edging. Yeah, because you can also like put a vibrator up to the chastity cage and edge them through that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:20

Um that was one of the reasons why I brought up because it's quite like I don't know, at least in porn, that seems to be quite like a common thing that you see.

SPEAKER_03: 19:27

Like it's very fun, yeah. I mean, just even rubbing my ass on a chastity cage while a cock is in it. So good, you cannot see me right now. I'm like just the teasing, the playing, the toying, the level of control that you get. Like, yeah, I mean, and with long distance, send them a nude. Yeah, just imagine how their boner is struggling. That would be, yeah, yeah. And waking up with like morning glory and whatnot, it fucking hurts, apparently. But you can't do anything about it in chastity, yeah, but you still need to clean it.

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That is one of the most important things, and the only real like quote unquote like danger that I could find um to do with like chastity and edging and stuff is like for like older gentlemen, um like not ejaculating over a period of time can like make your prostate enlarge, which obviously not I I did not think that was why you were going to talk about. Oh really? Okay, so it's like it's recommended if you're doing edging or chastity long term to like massage your prostate to like bring it back to normal size. There's like obviously quite a few risks and stuff involved where having like an enlarged prostate, like when you're over 40. But other than that, that seems to be like what are the risks? Uh two seconds, I would look it up. I did read it earlier and I've totally forgotten, which is terrible. Um, so it can affect like your hormone levels and stuff in your body. Um and it makes a it can like affect your like incontinence and stuff like that, because it's like pressing on your bladder.

SPEAKER_03: 21:20

Okay, wow.

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It's nothing like life-threatening, it's just like something to be aware of.

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Just don't shoot yourself. Wait, incontinence in what way? P? Oh like P, yeah. Oh just P. Okay, don't piss yourself. Yeah. Or do, you know.

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We're not king shame at anybody here. Um But again, that's not like a life-threatening thing. It's just something to be aware of that could be like a potential like risk. That was why I was saying quote unquote, because it's not like it's just something that I to be aware of, basically.

SPEAKER_03: 22:01

See, I thought you were gonna go with because you've edged yourself because uh older folk have edged themselves that much that it makes it harder for them to come. Uh-huh. That's what where I thought you were gonna go with that because I've seen that in people where they just keep going or it goes flaccid and like nothing happens past them.

SPEAKER_02: 22:29

Is that because of edgin though, or is that just like a thing that happens?

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I think it's maybe a mixture of both, which is why I think it's more prominent in people over 40.

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Yeah. Um could edgin not actually help with that rather than it being to like prolong like say like you were doing like surfing, for example. Like that could like prolong like being on the edgy orgasm and therefore like extend yeah the time that like I believe edging can help, uh-huh, but it all just depends on the body, the brain, um And how you're doing it as well. Like I feel like it's one of the things where like speaking about some of the benefits, like you have to have that kinda in mind for you to get to that place with it.

SPEAKER_03: 23:13

It's like like with a vibrator, it's like can you only do it with a vibrator?

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Uh-huh. Um come with a vibrator, or do you need a hand or like I like people get stuck in a rut with their orgasms, like how like it's better to have like a variety of different ways that you can come in order to like actually be able to come.

SPEAKER_03: 23:34

Yeah, yeah, because then if you don't come, then you get into your own head and then it becomes very, very psychological.

SPEAKER_02: 23:40

Yeah. I think that's a way like edging can be quite free in as well, though, because like it's not that's not the goal, it takes like the pressure off that situation. Do you know what I mean? Like if you know that you're not allowed to come, then it like can make it easier because it's like psychologically taking you out of that like oh I must come, oh I can't, oh no. Like yeah, I can absolutely see that.

SPEAKER_03: 24:05

I think it does uh prolong the edging, I I think it does help with not coming so quickly. Yeah, but you really need to practice, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 24:16

You're kind of like retraining yourself with it, basically. And it takes like time and commitment.

SPEAKER_03: 24:21

Yeah, yeah. I mean it's it's like when you're playing with somebody, well, it's the exact same thing. You can still you can you can do it with a vagina as well, where if you're playing with somebody and you're just like, no, don't come, don't come, like you you just need to train yourself and it's fucking hard. It's difficult, especially at least for me, especially with a vagina. Um it's difficult to know when the fuck I am actually gonna come. Because it's like you need a big fucking, at least for me, you need a big motivation, you need like a big building and stuff like that. Like, you let go of that, I'm gone. Yeah, I'm done. Like you need to restart this up now. You need to wind up the toy again.

SPEAKER_02: 25:10

Um that sounds perfect for engine, to be fair.

SPEAKER_03: 25:14

That's why it's fucking hell. That's why I hate it. You fucking wind it back up again. It's like, no, I want the fireworks, I want a big finish. Yeah. But yeah, it's all to do with actually understanding your body, your brain, and just trying to get a hold of your bodily functions.

SPEAKER_02: 25:41

Yeah, just being more in tune with your body and being aware of like Which is difficult, yeah.

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But you'll get there with practice, a lot of practice.

SPEAKER_02: 25:49

It's useful as well to like be that in tune with yourself.

SPEAKER_03: 25:52

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I would absolutely encourage it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 25:56

Yeah, and like also doing edge and like tends to make when you do orgasm like a lot stronger and a lot more powerful as well, um, which can be like a good motivator.

SPEAKER_03: 26:08

I can see that, yeah. I'm not fucking doing it though, but no, I would definitely encourage people to try chastity and edging, even if it's by yourself, there is a lot of upsides to it. Yeah, yeah. It's still taboo, everything in BDSM is still taboo.

SPEAKER_02: 26:35

Everyone in sex is taboo these days, yes, especially in the church. Speaking of yes, so um we were having a wee look through just like the kind of history of just masturbation in general, because I feel like a lot of um the kind of stigma around like edge and its potential dangers is just kind of like a symptom of the the stigma around masturbation in general, and like all the warnings that like I don't know if everybody huts us with like sexual trauma anyway dudes growing up. Um and one of um the things that I'd come across was like there's just kind of like a running theme through a lot of like the kind of Abrahamic religions and stuff, um Western religions, of like not wasting seed outside of procreation. Um I waste a lot of seed and like edging kind of being used as like a cheat code to that where you're not technically wasting the seed, but you're still getting like the pleasure. Um the there's a bit in the Bible where this guy Onan was commanded by his father to carry out a leverate marriage, which is like a practice of when um one of your siblings die, you like marry their wife and take on their estate, but like any children that you have are like your brother's children, so like your children essentially become like illegitimate. Um so when Onan was told to do this by his father, um quote unquote spilled his seed on the ground whenever he went in because the offspring would not be his, which made God very angry um and ended up killing him. So that let that be a warning. Um there's like a couple different ways that this has been taken by like um like biblical scholars and stuff, but some of them take it as like masturbation is wrong, yeah. Um and that spilling seed is wrong, and it like there should be no spilling of the seed out with having babies, um even like just recreational sex even with your partner is wrong out with procreation.

SPEAKER_03: 29:12

That's so sad. That really is that there are people out there who just can't and don't want can't can't being like maybe they're in a family um who are heavily religious and don't um want to just do that. I mean like usually by pressures and things, but like it's it's so sad that people haven't explored their bodies and whatnot and being free, which is like I thought that's what most of the Bibles were about, being free and all that stuff, not that's just the New Testament though.

SPEAKER_02: 29:52

Oh well, we'll get into that today.

SPEAKER_03: 30:01

But yeah, like spilling seed.

SPEAKER_02: 30:05

Yeah, nice. Sexy.

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No, tamboo. Oh yeah, sorry. Our dirty infested minds. See, it's already corrupted us. It's terrible. But yeah, there was more on um we're gonna we were gonna talk about Kellogg.

SPEAKER_02: 30:30

Yeah. So I would imagine our spicy brain peeps out there have heard this fact because I know how I have several times from like all of my friend group, myself included, at this point, of uh John Harvey Kellogg as an not the founder but the creator of Kellogg's breakfast cereal and it being used in um insane asylums at the time um to like make sure people had like a bland diet so they weren't getting like sexually excited That was his theory that bland food or sorry that spicy food led to sexual deviance and that it was just everybody needed to just eat plain stuff and that would like curb their sexual apathy um but I didn't realise the depth of this so like he was a firm believer in like celibacy so he was married with kids but didn't have sex with his wife like it was slept in a different room, yeah, slept in a different room, um thought sex was like unhealthy for the body, mind and soul, so like it was bad while you were on earth, like it was gonna like it had like negative health effects on you, even even though now that has been proven that masturbating and having sex actually helps with stress and depression and all that shit. Yeah, unless it's like a source of like shame for which yeah. Thanks, John. So he considered masturbation to be even worse. So that was just sex that he thought was bad for like um your body and mind and stuff. So he's quoted saying self-pollution is a crime doubly abominable. Abominable abominable. Abominable, there we go. Good job. Two seconds. Oh no, sorry. He only adopted his children, so he never had sex with his wife at all, not even for procreation.

SPEAKER_03: 32:41

Yeah, he adopted several children and foster. He fostered 42. Oh my god. They had like a full little gallery. That would have been a lot of sex, yeah. That would have been a lot nicer. Such a shame, so sad. Um, yeah, his wife slept in a separate bedroom. He believed meat and rich or flavoured foods increased a sexual desire and plain food suppressed it.

SPEAKER_02: 33:11

Yeah. Man also done like yogurt enemas every day. Yeah, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 33:17

Why would you inject yogurt?

SPEAKER_02: 33:20

I have a feeling that was doing some prostate stuff. I feel like it needed to be. I feel like that was like his he's out of it. Just de stressed.

SPEAKER_03: 33:30

Like, nah man, your wife's not getting any attention of like sex sexual tension or anything like that. We we don't know if it was a happy marriage. No idea. Nope. But like, you can't just like come on. Through the years now, we have realized that like you you can pleasure yourself from your ass, and then those feel ness and all that stuff. So why are you giving yourself an enema?

SPEAKER_02: 33:58

Yeah.

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With yoga of all things, and then it's played with it. And then he ate the rest of the yogurt.

SPEAKER_02: 34:05

Oh yeah, he only put it, he put half it up his ass and then ate the rest of it. Not the same thing.

SPEAKER_03: 34:14

Enemies recycle reduced. I mean, like, why? Why would you give yourself an a yogurt and that's the like enema, sure. But yogurt.

SPEAKER_02: 34:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 34:31

Why yogurt your yeast infection ass, like that is like oh god. See, no, no, he did that so he could flush it out a good few times. So he could profit nice and thick and white. He had some thoughts of his own man. I ain't buying any of this. He doesn't touch his pee pee, but he'll touch his ass and stick things up it. Yeah, sure. So innocent.

SPEAKER_02: 35:01

Yeah. So some of the things that he claimed masturbation caused were epilepsy, bad posture, stiff joints, fickleness, and palpitations.

SPEAKER_03: 35:12

But like going back to the yogurt, sorry. But like I should not have changed the subject. That doesn't make sense to me. The whole taboo about masturbation, but it's okay to stick stuff up your ass and get pleasured out of that.

SPEAKER_02: 35:29

It's just another loophole. Like every single like rule that is made about this, people are finding loopholes.

SPEAKER_03: 35:35

Yeah, it's like in marriage when they're like no sex before marriage, but anal sex is fine. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 35:41

It's it's like what I haven't like fact-checked this yet, but Jason was telling me about there's like a growing trend in the Mormon community where they get like the couple before marriage like all sit on a bed like on top of each other and pay their friend to jump on the bed. Oh, I've heard about this. Loopholes, man, they're everywhere.

SPEAKER_03: 36:05

Like but yeah, this is crazy, but yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_02: 36:15

Um, so I find a lot of like religious attitudes to things tend to be like opposing a different religion, so that they're like different and kind of competing with said religion. That's just my experience and my opinion.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 36:32

Um so I find it quite interesting that like a lot of what was kind of taught in Christianity and stuff's kind of like in polar opposite to like a lot of the like eastern religions and stuff. Um, where like sexual practice was like or nourishing life as it's called in Taoism, um was like a method aimed at maintaining arousal for like an extended phase will avoid an orgasm. So like edgeing was actually like part of their um religious practice where they believed that like sex and like the the union of male and female like created like energy, um the kind of union of male and female energy, female being unlimited, like an endless ocean, which is great. Um I think that's to do with like the refractory periods, so like women basically never ran out of this energy, and sex was like not a cost to them, so women's pleasure was actually um encouraged and um what's the word like made the most important, like prioritised um like whereas males with their limited refractory period so pathetic like would lose that energy upon ejaculation, so like their aim was to build up as much energy as possible by edging, um and then it was common practice for them to like put their finger on their like perennium and essentially like block the sperm from like coming out of their pain and like in their religion like it it went backwards and the energy went up into their brain and they like retained it and like um what actually happened physiologically is that it just goes up into your bladder and then you pee out afterwards. I didn't even know this was a thing that was possible, but it's quite interesting that like um Oh, I'm gonna task a sub with that next.

SPEAKER_03: 38:40

Nice let me see you jizzy pee god. That is very um I love that women are spoken about in that way. That sounds really nice. It's great, and that men are just like, ugh, edge, you need to. Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 39:02

Like they didn't they believed that um procreation wouldn't happen if both the male and female like didn't come. So like it was really important and part of like their like sexual practices to like yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 39:17

That that genuinely I I feel like a lot of men, um, or just people in general, just don't think about the other person um during foreplay or acts or whatnot. And that oh that's so lovely.

SPEAKER_02: 39:33

So it was seen that um through sex men were increasing their lifespan. So there was like full texts and stuff written on how to please a woman that were part of like the the kind of spiritual practices of Taoism and like And then the men died off and then they were like, oh shit very good. Yeah, it's very nice. So we've kinda covered quite a lot here. Um Yeah, I think we have, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 40:12

Yeah, I don't know if there's anything else to mention, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 40:15

I feel like we could speak about so much more, but like just as a rough like edginess fine, you're not gonna die. Yeah, you're not gonna die. Like full subreddits dedicated to doing it on the reg. Oh, that was the other thing we didn't mention was like no fab November and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03: 40:30

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 40:31

Um how like people regularly like don't come for extended periods of time for like differ loads of different reasons, that included, but like it's yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 40:40

I yeah, I I know that the BDSM community, I know a lot of people, uh a lot of DOMs who enjoy no fab November and things like that.

SPEAKER_02: 40:54

Uh wait, is it no is it no not November? No, not November, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 41:00

Um yeah. Pretty happy with what we've covered. Yeah. I don't really think that's as you said, we could go on and on just about this.

SPEAKER_02: 41:15

Do you have a link to Real Chast AKGs are available if anybody is interested?

SPEAKER_03: 41:21

No, just contact me on Twitter or just any of my links. Um they do come in a different colours and whatnot. 3D printing, it is not as what's the word like it won't break easily, but it can it will break easily, obviously, compared to like metal or plastic, maybe yeah, is it not plastic?

SPEAKER_02: 41:51

Yes, no, it's plastic.

SPEAKER_03: 42:00

Um but yeah, just any of the links or whatnot on my page.

SPEAKER_02: 42:05

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SPEAKER_03: 42:20

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