Speaker 01: 0:09

Hi and welcome to Behind the Paddle. Today, this is such a very, very exciting time. We have a lovely guest with us. So I am Paulson Victoria. And I am Emily Sun. And I'm Miss May. So today we are going to do a sort of interview style slash casual talk to Miss May about what is different basically. The UK and Germany and all about you basically. I'm excited about it too. Thank you for having me. Yeah, thank you for coming on. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 03: 0:50

So what do you specialize? Oh, so um a few things I specialize in are latex, rubber as well as toilet play. I also organize, uh since it is here, my own piss party where subs can come lay on the floor and be used by multiple mistresses in the slot they're booking for. Um yeah, I also specialize in rubber, bondage. Um yeah. I've recently also become more sadistic, which is quite interesting because um when I started, I was I would say uh it might have it might have come from an experience, um, but I was very scared of hurting people. I can relate to that.

Speaker 02: 1:39

Yeah, I think that's a good way to be at the beginning, you know, and you're not like diving straight in, you're kind of finding your feet and learning first, which is good.

Speaker 03: 1:47

Yeah, so I was really worried, and now I'm just I just really wanna be mean, as much mean as I can, and watch people suffer. So that's one thing that is yeah developed. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 2:01

Okay, we've spoken about this on the podcast before, like it's really interesting how everyone's kink journeys like it is always changing and always developing over the course. Like you're never finished, you're never like this is what I'm doing now, and will never change.

Speaker 03: 2:14

It's just I see it a lot on uh a lot of my subs who have been in the scene for you know decades or years, and they're like, Oh, I want to tick off other things in my list, and they're like, actually, I want to go hard, and like I obviously offer hard sports, so they are they are people who want to go deeper into it and explore because they haven't done it yet. So I feel like it's it's with your own journey as a dominant or as a top as well as a bottom and sub. They you know, like I feel like we always want to explore more or like even explore more deeper the more for me. It's I always want to explore inhuman inhumane things, and I want to always go deeper, deeper. How much deprived can my scenes get?

Speaker 01: 2:59

Oh that that sounds so you fool. Yeah, yeah, but then that's the fun of it, just being in BDSM, thinking up the scenes and being inventive and being like, Oh, I could do that. Yeah, so fun.

Speaker 03: 3:18

Yeah, I really like that, and just getting into a scene and also like sometimes improvising, and then oh, and then sometimes things come out of it that haven't even been planned with the SAP, or they're like, Oh, actually, I I want to try this out, which I really like.

Speaker 02: 3:36

They're bringing things to you as well.

Speaker 03: 3:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 01: 3:40

Yeah, yeah, I can absolutely relate with the way that maybe you're mid-sene, and then then you you do something like you stroke them or something with your nails, and they're like, Oh, okay. I'm a scratching more.

Speaker 03: 3:54

Yeah, we'll see if you like that. Yeah, I I always find it with um people always because I love piss and it's also one thing I specialize in. They're like, I'm not sure if I want to try it out. And then when we see each other, they're like, oh, I actually want to try. And then they're like, you know, then they're like laying on the floor and I'm using them as a toy, and they're like, oh, I actually don't mind it. And then they try it and they're like, oh wow, like I actually enjoy it. So yeah, it's it's really fun how once you have someone's trust, yeah, you can do it.

Speaker 02: 4:27

Yeah, you can get kind of help them to like uncover these parts of themselves that they've not kind of explored before. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 01: 4:34

Like when that happens with me, I get so happy that they've tried it and then and they're just like it.

Speaker 03: 4:41

Yeah, I always I always think that I mean, um that's always my motto to live by as well, that like we're all gonna die one day, so you might as well try on everything. Yeah, you know, and if you don't like it, at least we've tried it. Yeah, like a lot of people always like, oh, I'm not sure if I should try it, or like even people who are like, Oh, I'm not sure if I should try BDSM, and it's like I think in life, anything to BDSM or any any really anything, it's always good to like take the chance and you do the things, and if you don't like it, at least you've tried.

Speaker 02: 5:09

Yeah, I like the saying like try everything like three times.

Speaker 03: 5:13

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 02: 5:14

Yeah, like sometimes it's maybe just not your day rather than not your thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 01: 5:20

I agree, and I I always say as well, like you've tried this with somebody, okay, cool. Have you tried it with me though? Yeah, yeah, because it varies person to person, I feel, and it depends what the previous person did and the run-up to doing it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 03: 5:37

I feel also uh what the beauty about VDS MS and the and the diversity of people and providers is that everyone has their own style of domination and everyone's different. Yeah, and not everyone is for everyone. A lot of people, when they start, they're like, oh, but this person's doing it this way, this person's doing it. And I'm always like, well, a lot of people do things differently, and you can also find your own style. And I also find it like very um, I also find it really hard to be like, oh, but a dominatrix shouldn't do that, which is like often, often like the thing, oh, a dominatrix shouldn't do that. It's like you as a dominant, you can decide what you want. Obviously, some providers don't offer full service, but it's okay if they do because you can also do stuff and dominate someone whilst you have sex with them. And I always find it so strange to be like, no, you can't do it. Like, who makes these rules? Like the rules are there, like there is no rules in BDSM, and that's the beauty about it.

Speaker 01: 6:36

Yeah, we we had this conversation recently about how there was a new upcoming Dom that we saw, and she in her eyes, like strap on wasn't sexual. Yeah, and we had a conversation, and we we came to the um conclusion like how?

Speaker 03: 6:54

Yeah, I feel I feel a lot of people are trying to um like distance themselves. Distance themselves from oh I I was actually listening to your podcast about the hierarchy or sex or hierarchy, and yeah, a lot of people trying to distance great. Some already exists, I think it's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 02: 7:20

I'm just not giving across it before.

Speaker 03: 7:23

Um I I just think that a lot of people try and distance themselves from like sex or full service or whatever, and I think it's the wrong way to do, but also when it comes to what's sexual, what's not, I think it all depends on the individual because a lot of receivers on the other end, they find um they find um strap-on-play sexual and get a sex sexually grass. Penetration, so like penetration is sexual, but yeah, I don't know, it's uh it's always a great zone when it comes to what is what.

Speaker 02: 7:54

Yeah, I think this kind of leads into um like our next topic in terms of like what the laws are like between here and Germany, because I think this is a big part of why people it's not really like a want to distance themselves, it's a need because of how the laws in this country are, yeah. Um in order to kind of like circumvent like yeah.

Speaker 03: 8:16

So um sex work's legal in Germany where you have to register, you go to um, so let's say you want to start working in a studio or a brothel uh or also on the street, you have to go and register at the um at the how do you say it? At a like a council. At a place. Sorry? Is it like through the council? Yeah, yeah, exactly. You have to go to the council and be like, hello, I would like to get my whore pass. That's well, it's called the prostitution protection law, but it's like people call it the whore pass, and then we register to get this pass. And apart from that pass, you also need a health check. Yeah, so you you do the pass, you renew the pass every two years, and the health check you do every year, and you know, you go and you talk to the person that you want to start doing sex work, and they always ask you, is someone forcing you to do it? Yeah. If you are not, if you know what you're doing, how to use condoms, how to be healthy, hygiene and everything, how to use things, how to clean things. Um, and then at the where you get your pass, they also talk to you where you're gonna work, how you do it, and everything. And um once you do it, once you have the passport pass, you can then, I mean, if you have trained enough and you have done courses or training, you can start at a studio, but you can't, I mean, you can rent studios privately, yeah, um, even without a pass, but you will not be on the studio's website, so you'll not be advertised, you will not be seen as professional when you're not at the studio. Um so yeah, like it's always better to be on a studio website and have the passport. Um, however, obviously, due to some circumstances, not everyone can be registered, registered. Um, but they've applied this law, which a lot of people are still um well, we are. I mean, I think it's the Horse Day. Fourth day on the 3rd of June. I might be wrong, but it's the Horse Day on the 3rd of um June. People still every year protest against it just because you know it's supposed to um it's supposed to protect us, but it just stigmatizes us, and totally and the people who it's supposed to protect, you know, other people who work on the street who are being forced into it, but those people will still keep on working.

Speaker 02: 10:31

Yeah, like they're not the people that are going because they know that if they go, they're gonna get yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.

Speaker 03: 10:37

Yeah, so they yeah, that's how it works in Germany. And um what's the law like in the UK? We I mean we can talk both about it. It's it's partially legalized and working with two people is illegal, and the differences between am I talking too much by the way? No, no, okay, okay. The differences okay, the differences between working between Germany and UK when I came first were much different. I mean, there's still they still are, in my opinion. Uh, because you know, I worked in a studio that's where I started. I started Fetisch Institute in Berlin. Shout out to everyone there. It's a great studio. It's got yeah, it's it's it's a great studio, it's got amazing equipment and everything. You know, you clean after yourself after every booking, so you always know where everything is, and you know, hygiene and everything. And um, you know, everything's like on top, and you can work, you know, there's five people working um instead of just one. How would it? That's how it is in the UK, because all the studios are private. The hygiene things were always like interesting to me because before I had my studio, I always visited studios that never had things that I wanted or needed. Um, when I was in Germany, the studios had like a massive rubber and um bondage equipment, we had everything. Yeah, and I came here and I maybe found an old one hood, and I was like, oh, they don't have all of the things that I will need for a session, um, because I really like to use all of the gear. So that was one thing. And yeah, hygiene, where I was like, okay, I'm not sure I want to work there just because there was things missing very often or things are in the way I want it to be. And um, yeah, I also find advertising advertising in Germany and UK is quite similar. You have your directories and everything, and you're on directories. I think one thing that makes studios in Germany a bit better as well, is you get advertising from the studio. So when you start and you do your courses, everything they put you on the website, and then once you're with a Goose Studio, they know your experience and everything, and then that you will get customers from there. So you don't have to be, you know, an influencer like in the UK. You don't have to post reels, Instagram Twitter, you know. I I find really like most of the successful people in Germany, they don't have Twitter on Instagram, but they use it sporadically. Yeah, and here you genuinely have to, you know, work your ass off to um absolutely to just you know notice. Yeah, photos, photo shoots. I feel more like an influencer than as a DOM nowadays.

Speaker 02: 13:24

Yeah, I can totally see that.

Speaker 03: 13:26

Which I think it's still which I I still enjoy.

Speaker 02: 13:28

Um, I like making content.

Speaker 03: 13:31

I like producing content for like my social media. It's just I didn't expect that will be a part of the job.

Speaker 02: 13:39

Yeah, it's a lot like that's nice when it's not something you need to do.

Speaker 01: 13:42

Yeah, yeah, it's like with me, it's like, okay, I need at least like a few good photos at least once a week so I can distribute them on like all platforms, and they can't be like too raunchy to put out on Twitter, but they need enough to get the views and not be shadow banned and all that stuff. It's got a lot more to think about.

Speaker 02: 14:03

Yeah, absolutely. A lot more, a lot more. So just going back to what you were saying about um the horror past, love that. Is it a rule that people need to be themselves when they're being interviewed for that so that they know that they're not, you know, like being cold. Yeah, they've not got anyone.

Speaker 03: 14:19

Yeah. What do you mean they need to go themselves? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to go by yourself, you have to go in person and introduce yourself and chat to people. It's very casual, and the people are super sweet there. Um, yeah, and you can, if you ever want to work in Germany, you can find loads of um there is a website in English uh on Berlin.de as the German website, and you can find all the infos there. I think you just have to Google working laws in Germany or prostitution protection law.

Speaker 02: 14:51

So is that a necessity for people to have that? Is it illegal to work without it?

Speaker 03: 14:57

Yes, so you can I think you could rent studios privately, but if you wanna pursue a professional career with good earnings and a good outcome, I think it's recommended to register. Yeah, obviously.

Speaker 02: 15:16

But it's not a requirement, like you're not gonna get like arrested if you don't have it.

Speaker 03: 15:21

Oh, if you if you work somewhere in a studio, however, studios will not let you in to work. Um so if you will advertise yourself as a professional, whatever, then maybe police might pick it up, and then they do checks in they do checks in um places. So I had checks before, not in Berlin, but I had it in Munich, yeah, where I actually wasn't very lucky because my I think it was my health certificate ran out a few days. And they're like, Okay, miss, you have to not you're not allowed to work anymore on your trip. And I had to cancel my bookings, and yeah, they do come and check it, they check if everyone um paper. So you can get arrested. I think the the fine is up to 10,000 euros. Oh, so if you work if you're yeah, so like it's recommended to use it if you work professionally, yeah. Yeah, all studios will also, if you want to start working in a studio, all studios will guide you and and sell you all the infos because it's all in their best interest to provide all the infos necessary for you. So in in that terms, it's amazing.

Speaker 02: 16:25

Yeah, it's just the the people that are actually like doing survival sex work all at the time or being missed by that.

Speaker 01: 16:31

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, see in the UK, yeah, we you can't have two sex workers that work in the same building, even if it's um not at the same time. Um it's I would say it's a toss up between if you get a good police officer and a bad police officer.

Speaker 02: 16:50

Yeah, yeah, like the laws here are pretty much just uh like ambiguous, like they're left, they're all great, but like they're they're all open to interpretation by the individual that they and how they're feeling.

Speaker 01: 17:03

It's absolutely crazy how just easily you can uh get in trouble here because there is no licensing really. Um I mean I I don't know if I personally would want to register because I know other countries do, like um, I think Australia is another one where you register, but I don't know if it's uh a good thing or a bad thing. I think we will do like a future podcast and just it's really interesting.

Speaker 02: 17:32

It's an interesting concept. Like, is it does it leave people vulnerable to um like being blackmailed and stuff like that if there's something someone could hack into or do you know what I mean?

Speaker 03: 17:42

Yeah, so um Hydra, which is wait, I'm not sure if that's the I don't I I think that's just a sex workers like union health area in Berlin. Um I don't remember the name anyway, register, but apparently they don't give the files to the government or police or anything. So it's like a third party that manages it. It is, but how much truth is in that? Yeah, also if you are on websites and stuff, people can write that down, you know.

Speaker 02: 18:16

I I don't know how much people care about it. Totally, because part of it is the advertising and stuff anyway.

Speaker 03: 18:23

So I don't know, but it's definitely something. Um yeah, I think I mean I don't really worry, but I'm out to my family and everyone. So I'm not really I don't really care about blackmail and stuff, but yeah, a lot of people don't like being registered, but they still do.

Speaker 01: 18:40

It it's something which I say to people if they want to start sex work, it's like you need to be prepared for people to possibly find out. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, because there's so many ways, trackable ways people can find out nowadays as well.

Speaker 02: 18:51

And like you can't search in and like your technical.

Speaker 03: 18:56

Also, also your suggested um friends, like people you may know, and it's on Facebook or something, it happens when you even just hang out with someone and then you have it as a suggested.

Speaker 02: 19:07

So the amount of times I've gone to kink events and I've had people from the kink events come up as suggested friends on Facebook the next day, and then I've got their all their personal like obviously, like I'm not gonna do anything with it, but like it's so annoying that it does that, like it's not even something I've thought about, but yeah, it's um it's it's very, very scary.

Speaker 03: 19:28

I guess it's just AI and I feel like it's gonna go to work.

Speaker 01: 19:32

Yeah, that is life these days. So, how did you get started? In like BDSM and oh, oh yeah, I haven't even started about it.

Speaker 03: 19:46

Oh, because uh when did I BDSM journey or doming? Um BDSM. Okay, you said my BDSM journey started at the age of 21, so that was six years ago. I attended my first, I went to Kink Night just because my ex-partner wanted to explore kink with me. I was submissive back then. Um I went to Kit Kat and I went to Club Verbotten. Yeah, um, Kit Kat, always a disappointment. I booked boycott Kit Kat just because um people don't understand content consent there very often. Um, if you want to go raving, I'm sure it's fine. Some events are still okay, so they still do if the promoters are different, sometimes it's better, but I feel like some of the other stuff maybe not great, so I don't know. Um yeah, so I went to those events and then I started with online sex work a few years after, and I was exploring my submissive side, which was okay, but I think post-COVID, so pre-COVID, I started online work online sex work, and once COVID stopped in 2021, I registered in July June, and then I started the studio and I started doing dumb work there. I also how I learned everything was I was um filming with another mistress called Mistress Firewolf, and she helped me with a lot of things. So she was like someone because I asked her and I was like, Oh, can I pay you for training? And can you please you can show me and things when you were from before? And she's like, No, I'll show you, but you know, I need help and like filming and like being messed with myself. I was like, Yeah, sure, perfect. So she told me everything, and then I started fetish institute. I was so nervous. I was thinking about the first session um I did there. I remember I was shaking, but it was with someone I met before for a cash meet. I was shaking, I was so nervous. I just was I remember I was just so nervous, shaking, and but I've done it, and then since then I kept having sessions, and then I went in October to London for a for a um for a tour, and then it's just kind of kicked off and I haven't stopped since. And I'm very thankful to where I am right now, but I also know that I work a lot, I work nearly 20. I mean, I work 24-7, so yeah, that's how I started with doming, and it was interesting because I also didn't know everything in the beginning, and I learned a lot as I go, or I did courses with others, and um I still feel like BDSM is a journey you can never stop learning. Yeah, totally. There is always things you learn, and that's the beauty of it. There is some things I might never experience undo, but who knows? I mean, I'm my first four years of my career. Who knows? Maybe in the next five years or ten years, I'll want to do other things in BDSM.

Speaker 02: 22:54

Totally. You never know where you're gonna end up. That's the joy of it, was just like yeah, yeah, constantly new stuff. It's good.

Speaker 03: 23:00

Yeah. What what did you um what is like is there things you didn't do before and that you started with after?

Speaker 02: 23:08

Oh, definitely. I'm like that every other week. Totally just like, oh a new thing. Everything must be a new thing. I'm like gonna try it a few times.

Speaker 01: 23:17

I mean, with with me, we had a discussion, um, I think it was last night, where like I mean I dived in deep. I I did a lot of things which were not not no-nos, but it was very much when I was younger, I was like, I I want to do sex work, this is what the path I want to go down. So I was very determined to just do whatever I wanted. And yeah, that's what it is because I I legally started doing sex work at 18. So, like, that's not not that much stuff that I haven't done.

Speaker 02: 24:00

I'm sure we'll find you some.

Speaker 03: 24:02

Yeah, it's funny girl. I started sex work with 18 as well. I remember I was a sugar baby, and um yeah, it was way different. It was fun though, I enjoyed it as long as it lasted, but I didn't do it for too long.

Speaker 02: 24:18

What was your favorite experience doing that? Like you've got like a standout performance.

Speaker 03: 24:24

Ooh, um, I remember I was in Switzerland and a double-story hotel suite with the sauna inside. And after the sauna going out on the balcony overlooking the river and Zurich. That was quite nice. Quite a nice feeling. Yeah. But I also like the personal con connection I had with people. Um, I like doming as well, but not often I have I have different types of connections in BSM because sometimes you are a king dispenser, you meet someone just for the kinks, and then they, you know, you finish because they just want to get their thing off. But recently I've had some really nice um experiences where I actually have a more deeper emotional connection with my subs. And I think it's so important to actually get deeper into kink, you know, like with um with the subs. So I really enjoy when I have some like social dates, social things, or yeah, I feel like it's yeah, you then get this emotional connection, which makes you, I don't know, it just you then can explore more things together after, like when it's just like you know, you're gonna having a session and that's it, you know, like no personal talks.

Speaker 02: 25:38

Yeah, you're getting more into like the psychology there because you're building up that trust that you're kind of bringing them through like deeper levels, yeah.

Speaker 03: 25:45

Yeah, and BSM is so much about psychology and just interesting. I love it, I love it so much. And one thing that makes me good at it, I know how to read people. I've realized that when I get into a session, I can tell when someone's nervous. Yeah, and I've gotten so much more con I mean, I've always been a confident, dominant person. My personal life just um, you know, um in the studio, I just realized how yeah, how much control I have actually, and how people trust you and get nervous, and you I can just read people. I don't know, it's just something and I really get off on that. But like I I now I now know even what precautions to take if someone's too nervous and what to do, and yeah, it's it's such a skill to realize when somebody is like uncomfortable or too nervous, yeah, or maybe a position for them is just too much. People people say often like DOMs have to hate men or subs, and it's like, no, you actually have to have so much empathy, yeah. And I'm actually I am, I mean, I am a very deprived and I love seeing really bad and doing mean things. However, I am such a nice and caring person, and that's what you have to be. Totally. Also, it's so like I after I finish the session, it's so emotionally draining for me because I care about safety so much. And in the back of my head, it's always okay, you know, you do um breastplow, you need to care about the safety of it, you do, I don't know, like different things that choking, whatever, you know, like it's so important about safety, and it's very important to have a first aid course and renew it. Yeah, you never know when you'll need it, and emergencies might happen.

Speaker 02: 27:34

Yeah, just for our listeners who don't think we've mentioned, we are in uh mess me's lovely studio, just for the people that are actually watching.

Speaker 03: 27:43

Yeah, I know, but we're having a good chat at the we yeah, we even off mic, we've just couldn't stop chatting.

Speaker 01: 27:55

Yeah, so uh with people who are actually watching, we are actually in Miss Mate's lovely dungeon. I love it. Leather Leather. I've I hope that the people who are watching will figure out that you might have something for leather. You might like I sure to hope so.

Speaker 02: 28:19

So, how was it actually setting this place up then? What what can do with that?

Speaker 03: 28:24

Oh, um, so you know, it's everyone's DOM streams to have your own studio. And I never thought that I will ever have my own studio just because I very often don't believe in myself. I stopped doing that now. I do believe in myself now, but you know, you always second guess yourself, compare yourself to others on the internet, so you never think that, you know. Um, which is a horrible thing. Like, I hate being on social media and being like, oh, people are doing better. No, everyone's having their own, you know, slide real good.

Speaker 02: 28:56

Reminds myself, like yeah.

Speaker 03: 28:58

So yeah, I um I really wanted to open a studio and I found out about this unit, and then I had an hour to confirm it. So they're like, do you want it or not? And it's I know, and it's a very and in that time I was touring a lot because I used to do monthly tours from London to Berlin and Munich. I was like, do I even have time to set it up? And um, so once I found out about this unit, I was like asking my friends for opinions and thinking, okay, will I be able to do it the way I wanted to do? And then I just took the risk and I opened it, and it's been the best risk I've ever taken. Even my parents are like very proud of me, um, which is very amazing. But yeah, it was, you know, I've seen studios, I've been to a lot of studios in my life, you know, all around the world, and wanting to have a studio the way I wanted um it took a while. I think only after a year, a year and Three months it finally looks how it's supposed to look.

Speaker 01: 30:02

Yeah.

Speaker 03: 30:02

Just because furniture and um equipment and things, and and and and you know, I really wanted to have certain things, but they were not available, or I had to I had to look for things, and you know, it it took a while. Now I'm very happy to be running it, and a lot of people are using it, a lot of people are happy, and I'm very I'm very proud of myself to be able to provide a space that's safe, that's safe, that's clean, that's you know, the people like working from and um and set up for who for the things you want to do. Yeah, also I'm on the far away, so I maybe have a 10-minute walk home. So I think that's one of the biggest things as well, you know, because especially commuting in London.

Speaker 02: 30:48

Yeah, we've found out we've found out, yeah, we've been having grief.

Speaker 03: 30:55

So commuting in London is not fun, and I like to have a village mentality in the area I live in, so this is perfect. Um, especially because I can always be for emergencies or you know, cleaning or redoing things, you know. I love, I love, I love being close in a close proximity. Proximity? Does that make sense?

Speaker 01: 31:16

Yeah, in a close close proximity to my studio. I understand because when mine was open, it was literally just on the road, a few minute walk away.

Speaker 03: 31:25

It was so perfect, it saves so much time and energy, and you can always pop out, get food, come back. Um, but yeah, I opened the studio and yeah, I don't know. I have a lot of equipment that I like, and I'm gonna collect more. I have a lot of bondage bags, straight jackets, leather, rubber. I've got amazing furniture. Yeah. Place is amazing. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm very proud of myself, yeah. Um, but um I also wouldn't be made it without like the help of other I wouldn't have made it without the help of other service apps of uh my friends and my partner. So yeah, it's um finally now looking how it's supposed to look. And it's still always in, I still always want to find better ways to do it. Oh, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 02: 32:24

It's another journey that's never really finished.

Speaker 01: 32:26

Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. I think that is the best mentality of let's see what I can top this with, yeah, and what can get better and everything like that. It's it's so positive, isn't it?

Speaker 03: 32:39

I'm always looking on eBay for some like weird dungeon furniture or you know, someone selling some weird chairs and you know, like some I don't know. I just always like I don't know, I always I just wanna like my plan is now to stock a stock stock up on a massive bondage latex and leather collection. Um I just don't know where I've put it, but maybe I'll I'll I'll think of a thing, maybe a little again.

Speaker 01: 33:06

I think that's what is missing from the UK dungeons is a lot of latex.

Speaker 03: 33:12

I yes, there is people who have private studios that do latex and rubber, but yeah, latex, yeah. I find it really sad because I feel like at the latex fetish is something that people like to explore. And I always find it really hard because a lot of places also are not size inclusive. And that's something, you know, like people have different different sizes than only medium or large, you know. You want to go on the larger side, so I always try to always find stuff in like smaller sizes, bigger sizes, to have like a whole range of things. Some slowly getting things and develop, you know, like just yeah, getting more stuff. Yeah, it's a lot of money and it takes time. A lot of money. A lot of money. Latex is so expensive, but I think out of my, you know, I I wouldn't say I have like um well, apart from traveling to Japan, but um apart from traveling, I spend most of my money just on gear and like pink equipment and stuff. That's where money goes. I I mean it's a job at the end of the day, and like you need to invest. Yeah, it's very important to invest in this job. Very, very important. Because then people will know you're investing, and people know, oh, there is new stuff, new equipment. I want to try out this new thing. Yeah, I just got a new bonded chair, which none of you can see it. However, it's gotten so much compliments from everyone. Everyone's like, I love it. It's like, yeah, I've been wanting a bonded chair since two years, and it's finally here.

Speaker 02: 34:46

We will put a picture of it up on our understands if anybody wants to go and see. Yeah, it's awesome. I was mine on it when you were getting your water.

Speaker 03: 34:55

It's really fun and it's multi-use as well. You know, you can throw on bonded chair or toilet, even, you know.

Speaker 01: 35:02

Like they're they're the best um bits of furniture where it's multi-use. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, especially when it comes down to the cost of them, it's like you better do something else. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, what are the plans for the future for you?

Speaker 03: 35:21

Oh, um, my plans for the future. Hopefully, keep on having my space um and providing a nice clean, safe space for um workers in London. Um you know, always getting more gear, more latex. Um, and tour-wise, I'm I'm thinking of maybe doing a tour around the UK. However, I'm not sure yet, just because I'm traveling a lot. And yeah, just maybe tour more. And apart from work-wise, I think maybe spending more time by myself and with my loved ones because in the last few years I've been spending a lot of time in a dungeon or traveling, so I'm gonna prioritize. Well, I'm going away at the end of the year, but yeah, I'm just prioritizing awesome alone time. Totally.

Speaker 02: 36:11

You spend a lot of time setting everything up and know that it's kind of stable. You have you need to take some time for yourself, yeah.

Speaker 03: 36:17

Nice and chill, relaxed, yeah, exactly. Yeah, totally, but also just you know, building more trust with saps, opening making connections and having fun in life. That's so pure. I love the dream. Yeah, it's important that you need to live your life, yeah.

Speaker 02: 36:35

Okay, that's right. That's it. Yeah, totally. Thank you so much for coming.

Speaker 03: 36:40

Thank you for having me. It was so much fun. I hope I wasn't just talking at you.

Speaker 01: 36:44

No, no, don't worry, don't worry. It's gonna be great. And like I feel like we could talk for even longer. Yeah, yeah, but this is sometimes good to stop when it's best in the highest points.

Speaker 02: 37:01

That was nice to end on.

Speaker 01: 37:03

Yeah, this has been so fun. So thank you so much. So this has been behind the paddle with uh Paulson Victoria, Emily Sun and Miss May. Yeah, you can find all our details in the bio basically. Yeah, but yeah, you can catch us um on Insta, YouTube, Spotify, all the kind of usual places.

Speaker 02: 37:28

Yeah, yeah. And as always, um just for our listeners, we've got a little 10% discount on thesancuryofsen.com. If you use code behind the paddle, you'll get that discount code off at checkout.

Speaker 01: 37:43

Thank you very much.