Speaker 01: 0:00

Hi and hello. This is Behind the Paddle. I am Paulson Victoria. And I am Emily Sun. Yeah. Today is it's gonna be a good episode, I think. So what does a Japanese penis festival, Moana, and the Sundance film Teeth all have in common? Well that would be vagina dentata, which is Latin for tooth vagina, and is a folktale tradition in which women's vaginas are said to contain teeth and is often associated with the implication that sexual intercourse might result in injury, emasculation, or castration for the man involved. They've been used throughout the world as a way to kinda warn of the dangers of unknown women and to discourage rape, as well as um kind of preying on men's fears of castration and the inherited cultural belief of like um just women being dangerous again um and women's sexuality as being dangerous. Yeah. I I love all the like if you've listened to our previous podcast you would have seen how there is such a stereotype of like how magical women are, but not in a good way. Sometimes, but mostly not. Yeah, mostly not mostly we're just gonna like cut people's dicks off. Yeah, and like laser babies. Yeah. Well not even laser, just stare at them. Poisonous vapors, yeah. So yeah, that's what we're gonna talk about today. This lovely what would you call it? This lovely not stereotype. It's just like a it's a myth um that seems to be um present throughout the world. Yeah. Um chop your ticks off. Yeah. So the term vagina dentata was first coined um around 1900 by funnily enough Sigmund Freud, which I found very interesting. It's not something that uh have heard of being attributed to him in the past, but it kind of goes along with the description of his idea of devouring or being devoured um kind of around topics like the mouth and the vagina and this whole thing. Man needed therapy just not from himself. Um so the term wasn't originally like literal in its depiction that it wasn't actually about like there being physical teeth in a vagina, but around the this kind of idea of orifices devouring I mean whatever was put in there by the science of things, um, but was later co-opted um to kind of indicate the the literal like castration of men um and the kind of castration anxiety and just generalized fear of women that um is just kind of perpetrated throughout history, but um I feel like this is like quite a blatant example of that. Oh yeah, like you know, we all casually have teeth down there and want to just chop dicks on for whatever goes in there like we're gonna we're gonna find out like a few other standards and other myths that include just vaginas and penises and just the whole what is it? Is it like you are they trying to say no, don't go near a woman? They're trying so as there's kinda pros and cons to this as a as a concept and as something it seems to almost be like a fable as a way to teach men like not to sleep with women that say no because this might happen. So like it's a way, it's like a kind of anti-rape story as well, um as one that is just kind of like not dehumanising women but is kind of painting their sexuality to be this potentially dangerous thing. So it's like the kind of duality again where it's a good thing they're teaching little boys like you know consent and consent, yeah, um, or bad things might happen to you, but also that um that women just always have this like other side to them that um they always have this potential like danger, dangerous aspect to just being around them. Yeah. I I feel like it can be very controversial this subject and the way of how things are portrayed. Of course, this is just an opinion, like this can be taken in a multitude of ways. Oh yeah. But I find it interesting that it's one story that has popped up all over the gro all over the globe, like totally independently to each other. Like it um I'm not saying there's truth in it, I'm just like it's interesting from everybody's got their own perceptions about it and fairies and just Yeah, because what we're gonna go into next is it went very viral, at least when I saw it, it was very much I don't know if it was on the news, but like TikTok especially with the penis festival. So Japan has a penis festival, and I feel like a lot of people have seen this somewhere because it's not every day that there is a penis festival. Oh, of course, and it's quite like a big tourist attraction and stuff as well, because it's just something a bit different, it's not something that you see every day. I definitely don't think it's something that would be even allowed in the UK. Oh no, no, no. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of men in the UK who would love a festival just based on their penis, basically, and just to see penises out there, I feel like they would react the same way with like football, maybe just cheering. I don't know, I I just don't even I think it would just get shut down here. Oh yeah, but it's what you mean like a secret one, like god. I mean if the UK was actually open to doing a penis festival. I just like okay, so they don't want to fund for like trans people, they don't want to do like kink or anything, but a penis festival that they can get behind. Yes, that they might be able to get behind. But like yeah, if that happened, I feel like the men might actually be okay about it because it's just a the it's their member, yeah. But I don't know if they've the reason why school daughters are fully them, you know, like it's going back to Sigmund Freud again. I mean, we're all obsessed apparently. It's him that came up with the whole penis envy thing as well, I'm sure. Oh yeah, men again this this is another recurring thing that we're finding out is like a lot of stuff is done by men, and it's it's very interesting because I would love to do an episode actually about something that has come out from a woman's perspective, or a woman has said, Yeah, but I don't know if that's possible. We'll see. Um, yeah, there is a penis festival in Japan called Kanamara Matsuri, which just translates to Festival of the Steel Phallus. Yep. And they have like multiple different things like candy, carved vegetables, decoration, uh decorations in the illustration of uh penises. They go all out, they go all out. It's very, very big. If you look it up, the the like waving stuff, there's blow-up things, it it's very heavily um popular, yeah. Yeah, the festival started in 1969. And yeah, as you said, it's became something as a tourist attraction, and thankfully it is used to raise money for HIV research. Yeah. Which it's that's so good. It's so awesome. Yeah. I I don't know. Again, again, going back to if it was in the UK, I don't know if that would even sway most men to actually participate on um Yeah, there's like shrines. So what are these shrines? I do apologize, I'm most likely going to butcher these names. Do you want me to read them out? Yeah. Um so it was just this is um things that are taken through the streets as part of the festival. This is just me descriptions of them. So the first one is Kanamara Mikoshi. So that is a portable shrine with a square base and a roof. A wooden palace is housed inside the oldest of the three portable shrines. And the second one is called Kanemara Boat Mikoshi. A portable shrine with a boat-shaped base and a roof inside a glowing black iron palace. Palace is housed upwards, and it was donated by Hitachi Zozan. And then the last one is Elizabeth Mikoshi. A portable shrine with a huge Jesus with a huge pink dildo on the base. There is no roof. This is a portable shrine was donated by a cross-dressing club. Yeah. This is where I included it because I found that really interesting. Yeah. Um yeah, like again, with the UK, I don't know, like I get, I don't think this would pass at any point. Especially if sadly somebody um not necessarily was in the cross-dressing club, but like there was a cross-dressing club. I I I don't think it would like help or anything like that. Because we've got so much underground stuff. I feel like anybody that was bothered by the club would also be bothered by the festival though. Do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like it's the same people that would like take offence to both of them. Yeah. Yeah. And like they would maybe invited anyway. Um, the other two portable shrines are mainly carried by local parishnas. Yeah. While the bearers are mainly women who chant Kanamara. Karamara. In 2016, this shrine switched to being displayed on a wheeled trolley. In 2017, the cruising on the road was revived. But it was a one-way trip to Daisy Park Daisy Park. And after being covered with a white cloth in the park, it was pushed back to the shrine. So that sounds like um it wasn't allowed to be like out on the public roads. And I think that's why they're mentioning about it being covered by the cloth, so that like when it's not in the designated areas of the festival, it's not just a big pink dildo being carried by the street. Yeah, that's interesting. That is interesting. Um I feel like that's the only way it would work here as well, as if it was like specific. Everything covered up. Everybody just imagines what's going on underneath. It just goes. Um yeah, because the actual festival's centred around the Kanayama shrine, um, which is in like a set place, so I think the the parade like must have a route that it goes. Yeah. And it's a shame that there's bits of that that they're like pure chucking the big sheet over it, but no, there is one story relating to the festival of steel palus is a variant on the vagina dentata myth which appears around the globe. In this story, a young woman is wooed by a demon, obviously. Have you ever read one of those TikTok posts? Story of Molly, yeah. Somebody's been using too much wattpad. Oh, that's a throwback. She refuses him, so she don't want she don't want any of that demon. And the demon obviously seeks revenge. You know, because she can't say no. No, no, you can't just be like, don't want none of that. Thank you. So he does what any man would do. Yeah, seek revenge. So he takes up home inside where else? Her vagina. Everything we're looking at is stuff to do with vaginas, there's almost like lizards are like something sneaking up like demons or teeth just chilling in there. Like I sleep naked, so God knows what is up me, right? Like, it's not good, just keep your panties on. But then, if like we don't know if when the demon sneaks up a vagina, we don't know if he's got like hands or anything, so we could have just peeked knickers to the side, you never know. I bought in. Um, so yeah, he goes in there thinking that if he can't have her, nobody can, obviously. Um, the young woman gets on with life despite having a demon-possessed vagina. I love that line. That's great. She'd just be out there chilling. She's just chilling, like, she's fine. That makes it seem like she knows about it. Uh yeah. Because I feel like if she didn't, like that's obviously get out just reaching there and get the fucking demon out. Um on her wedding night, the demon in her vagina bites off the penis of her husband. So he's got no penis. He can't have her. The demon's like, nah, mate, she's mine. Um the young woman is still determined to live her full life, even though she's witnessed a ceremony. Yeah, her vagina has just like fucking eaten a penis. I feel like you would die. I feel like unless you got like instant medical treatment, that would be absolutely. I I think he's gone. Yeah. It's just like I'm not gonna get this checked out, I'm just gonna carry on with my life. So yeah, she's determined to live a full life. She marries again. Again, I don't know if I'd be able to do it like her because it sounds like she just goes from marriage to marriage and not no sex in between or something. Yeah, like that's what it's saying. We don't know when this story's from, to be fair. Yeah, yeah. Back in the day, like I don't know, you like married to have sex, like again. That that is another like podcast episode we could do where it's just like um women can only have sex in marriages and things because like religion as well. I mean men are the same though, yeah. Yeah, I feel like I doubt it. I fucking doubt the men actually. There's less evidence than a man has, so yeah, yeah. Um the same thing happens on a wedding night. The demon in her vagina bites off the new man's penis. So bye-bye. At that point, she's like, right. Yeah, she's like, right, this is unfortunate. This is clearly me. They're not just falling off. They just like properly kill Bill style, the blood just explaining and she's like, Oh, I wonder what's wrong with them. I know it just plops out of the vaginas out of the dick. I wonder it must I eat it, no? I don't know. It does not say Well, just assume that it does. Does that mean the demon likes dick though? Just love it. A little bit, yeah. I mean he has like voluntarily put one in his mouth twice now. Right? And like potentially eaten two. I don't know what that means. I feel like that's the separate issue. I think this demon's a bit confused of what he wants, actually. Oh yeah. Now with what's happening, it's just unacceptable. I love it that there is at this point, she's like, nah, mate, I want my hole. It's not like she lost her beloved. She's like, nah. Third times the charm on the guy, you know. Right, so she heads off to a blacksmith with a unique commission. A large dildo made from iron or steel. So when the young woman uses the metal dildo, the demon thinks it's yet another husband for a snack. Snacks, so he's definitely eating them.

Speaker 02: 19:41

Yeah, right.

Speaker 01: 19:46

And he does what he always does and bites into it. So she's gone to a blacksmith and she just went, Yo, blacksmith, can you make me a metal fucking dick? Imagine cutting your local. She said, I'll give you a few quid if you make me like a big dom.

Speaker 02: 20:11

He's just like she said that again.

Speaker 01: 20:16

She's like, look, mate, there's teeth in me. You want to try it? You will go. Um, so yeah, this demon fucking bites it because you know he's hungry for cock. Unfortunately, for the demon, the metal shatters his teeth, and he leaves the woman alone, and she lives happily ever after. Result. Job done, mate. I hope she left that blacksmith a clone review. She gave him a tip.

Speaker 02: 20:52

Oh.

Speaker 01: 20:54

So I've actually heard there's a couple different myths that are really similar to this in another version of the story. It's like a king with a princess that he's trying to marry off. Um, and every suitor gets his dick bit off until one day the local blacksmith approaches with a metal concoct like penis that he's made, and he's like, If I try this, can I marry her? And the king's like, Yeah. And it's like a fairy tale, like he gets to be like a prince at the end. That's a wet Grimms fairy tale.

Speaker 02: 21:24

I like this version better because like this this lassie's just like I love that it took twice for it to like sink in for her.

Speaker 01: 21:38

Oh maybe this is my vagina.

Speaker 02: 21:45

Maybe she didn't even want to get married. Oh but again, we don't know when this is set.

Speaker 01: 21:52

Yeah. Um yeah, and yeah. So we've talked about the f lovely penis festival. So you've missed the wee bit. What bit did I miss? Um due to its do you okay if I just read this book? Yeah, cool. So due to its location, the Kanayama Shrine where the festival takes place has historically been visited by a lot of travellers and traders just passing through, which meant there were many brothels and therefore sex workers in the area. And because the sex workers were at a higher risk at STIs with so many customers coming from all over and not staying long enough to vet, they prayed at the shrine for protection from STIs, which is why the proceeds from the festival are given to an HIV charity, which I think is really nice. It's so wholesome, like it's kinda came full circle. Um, and there's also the theory as well that vagina dentata is like an analogy for like STIs as well. Okay. Um so it all just links them together quite nicely. No, it's lovely that they fundraise for H E uh HIV. It's really nice. Yeah. It that that kind of makes up for, I feel. Yeah. Just just a wee bit. This is why I like the Canadian powered woman story better because it it fits what they're still doing there at this time. And also there's a big like hot point builder, like that people are carrying about the streets is great. Yeah, at the start we asked about what the penis festival and Moana has in common. So yeah, do you do you want to? Yeah, sure. So in Maori mythology, the trickster Mui, who you might know from the film Moana, if you've seen it, um obviously he sang a song about all his needs over his lifetime. This one was not included for like obvious reasons. Um also the fact that it's the story of his death, sadly, so it wouldn't have been anyway, or there wouldn't have been a song. So um Maui was tricked by his father into thinking that he had a chance to achieve immortality. And in order to obtain this, he's told to enter the goddess um Hini Nu. It's Hini Nui Tipu. Um by turning into a worm and crawling into her vagina, um, she's the goddess of night and death. Uh sorry, I said this in the words. Cool. Turning into a worm, cla crawling into her vagina and climbing up through her and coming out of her mouth while she sleeps. And because she was the goddess of death, like essentially he's like reversing that process, making himself immortal by like travelling through her backwards and like unlike um inverting the kinda the death process. Because that makes sense. Yeah. Um so he gets there while she's asleep, he undresses himself and gets ready to enter her by turning himself into a worm. Oh, oh yummy. Um I love how this is called it, his trick. When one of his friends, the Piwakawaka, which is a New Zealand bird, um, laughs at him and wakes her up. She then bites the worm to death with her obsidian vaginal teeth, making him the first man to die and bring like the cycle of death into the world. Um I feel like this is quite a poignant story because she became the goddess of night after discovering that the man she was married to was her father. Um she'd bore like so many children to him, and when she found out that he had took her virginity, she felt so ashamed and hid herself in eternal eternal darkness. Became the goddess of night. Um and is the reason for like the colour red in the sky. And shepherd she's like um Maui uh Maury Davy Jones, like she shepherds like lost souls um into the first level of Radohenga, which I think is like the underworld basically, um, to ready them for the next stage of their journey. So like harking the origin story into becoming the person that she is, like, involves rape as well. Yeah, like it's pretty grim. It's pretty grim. I think he deserves to get lunched up, yeah, to be honest. Not in a nice way.

Speaker 02: 27:01

Um that that's that's dark.

Speaker 01: 27:07

I'd like to I can see why they didn't uh put that in the movie to be fair. To be fair, that would need to be like at the end of the film because if that's him indeed, that's what I mean. Like if he's dead, can they really like save the island and yeah oh god that that is so depressing that like there's stories like well there's m myths like this where women just get taken advantage of, yeah. And it's like there's always there's mostly always a consequence to it though, which is good. I'm not saying never, but I feel like stories like these, as much as they're like a bit hard-hitting and a mu a bit much to listen to, like they have served a purpose over the years and like explaining consent and the complex not even the complexities of that, I don't but like the consequences of the the made consequences to it. Yeah, you can just get chopped off. Yeah. Like I feel like that's like a good fear in somebody, you know. Hopefully that would like put them off. Like you never know these days. I feel like we need to bring this back. Well, talking about bringing back, um going on to the Sundance film Teeth. Which if you've not seen it, watch it. Yeah, it's a good yeah, it's it's a comedy horror type film. Yeah, very Jennifer's body-esque, I would say, for me. Yeah, without the sexiness, yeah. Yeah, and like the murderous female like protagonist and still also like a cult classic. I don't know. I feel like it's more stretched to compare the two. I agree, I agree. I agree with the cult classic, yeah, definitely, because I haven't watched the movie Teeth in years, but I still remember certain scenes like I especially remember like the I think she went to go get X-rays and stuff, and she saw there's Teeth down there. I think that was the cover if you had the DVD, mm-hmm because I had the DVD and I'm sure the cover was like the X. Something like that, yeah. So yeah, there was a Sundance film called Teeth in 2007. The budget was only two million, and I it I think it did alright. Yeah. Um for being like an indie film with like that smaller budget, like I feel like it told the story well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like the acting in it was not horrendous. Yeah, yeah. It says here limited release in the United States in 2008 by Roadside Attractions. Ah, so it just premoured at the Sundance Festival then in 2007 and then came out in 2008. And then came out on DVD and like everybody had it basically. I want to say it was very much a what is this film about and where does she have teeth? But we were discussing before we hit record on the podcast about how in the movie there is a lot of times where she's like sexually assaulted. Yeah, yeah. And the teeth then become very helpful in the ways of preventing that. So I didn't write this down, but just to give like a rough overview in case you've not seen it, um girl in uh like it's no chastity. What is it when Christians have like B groups where they're like, oh abstinence is like an abstinence support group. Yeah, that's yeah, for want of a better way of putting that. Um at school ends up um going going out on a date with a guy who then rapes her and she bites his dick off, and this is how she discovers like from her vagina, which is how she discovers she's got teeth there. So like there's a kind of ongoing theme throughout, like every time that happens is because she's been raped. Like it happens a lot. That's why it's quite like a hard-hitting film, because there's a bit where one of our friends like gives her a sedative and then uses like a like a vibrator on her. You know, because they need to have that in there. Um it was written and produced undirected by men, so yeah. Which again, this is like what we're saying is like a lot of this stuff is done by men where we're just these terrible people and we've got frickin' teeth in our vaginas and things. When it comes to these types of myths and festivals and the movie Teeth. So it it's it I think it's very controversial in the way is if it is it helping basically. Is it helping by saying to showing the men that it's it's not good if you sexually assault somebody or whatnot? Because it's it's difficult because it's easy to like do it in a comedic way, just like, oh my vagina's got teeth. I like priranna double these style, yeah. Like, yeah, yeah. And then it's just like but you will go to jail, hopefully. Because there is a large amount of sexual assaults which just do not get recorded, or the victims sadly don't come forward, or nothing is just done, or the person gets off on it, as in like um gets away with it, yeah. Gets away with it, yeah. I mean I'm sure they get off on it as well, but it's just one of those things, sadly, where yeah, that is it doing more harm than good, yeah. Like I think one of the things like um one of the kind of takeaways from it is that the the kind of protagonist misdirects a lot of the fears of what's going on onto herself rather than like those around her. Um like her ah there we go, Purity Club, that was it. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. So there's there's layers to this. Like I feel like I have also not seen it in years, um, but it's something that I'm definitely gonna go back and watch in the next few days. But I just find it quite interesting, like one of the themes that's been picked up on through the film is that she spends the full time wondering what is wrong with her, rather than the fact that like all of these people ruined about her are taking advantage of her. Um and like I don't know where I'm going with this, but obviously in the film there is something like physically like going on with her, but I feel like it's a good analogy for like how the victims feel in that situation where they kind of their instant thought is that it's something they've done. Yeah, like it's quite a good portrayal of that in a slightly comedic way because in the sense of they've taken that and like um made it so like extravagant and so like they've what am I trying to say they've made it not real, they've made it like yeah, yeah, no, I understand like that yeah, it's a very difficult thing I want to portray because it's either you're fucked, you're you're gonna jail, you've done really bad, like something about like it's not it's not depressing or like disappointing, but it's like it puts a damper on things, and I think that's why what does sorry like like doing a movie or a festival portraying how shitty men can be, yeah. I don't like say for instance the clockwork orange, there's a rape scene in that, yeah, that was portrayed very, very well because that made people go, oh, yeah, what the like it it stuck in people's heads and they were like traumatized and really put off by it. Like something like the clockwork orange, that's uh in my eyes a very good portrayal of how shitty men can be, but it's very hard to do that, I want to say, yeah, in a not comedic manner, mm-hmm. And that's why I d I don't feel there's that many movies that do it. Yeah, I think as well, like when I was reading up a bit about when they were actually trying to get the film um made in the first place, there was just a lot of places that wouldn't take them, and they were being labelled as like pornographic, even though it's not got that, it's not it's not about being sexually gratifying, but it's still like labelled as such in that context, and I think that is possibly another kind of barrier as to why that's not I don't know, there's still just a lot of misogyny like in the film industry, and like that's fucking disgusting to be quite honest, that it's been taken that way, um but yeah, yeah, it it's it's like again Clockwork Orange is like such a cult classic, and Teeth as well, and like Jennifer's body, and it's all around women being sexualised in some way, and there's not I I don't think there's many films like that these days where you you get put off or it's in a comedic manner and it's trying to actually give you a reason. Yeah, I think taking a subject matter like that and trying to have like any comedy surrounding it like hits wrong anyway, to be honest. Like I don't know, I think I feel like that's maybe my more why it's not something that people are really touching on these days as much. Just like I think a lot of what people have taken from Teeth has been like people's take on it rather than what the writers and stuff were intending from it when they made it. Like I think it was supposed to be like more of a comedy, mm-hmm But the messages in it don't really fly like that for me these days. Do you know what I mean? Like in the context of um like a lot of what we've been talking about with just like how women are seen and portrayed, like it hits a bit differently from just yeah, absolutely, because it's just like why are you trying to make like I I don't think to make a film about sexual assault you need to have a comedic bit. If it's dark humour like um clockwork, cool, but you need like a very specific director and somebody it needs to be handled careful, yeah. Yeah. So but this is why I'm thinking like it is controversial in some eyes because it's it's it's been made comedic, and like I'm sure after that, after watching Teeth, there would be men out there who would be like, Oh, your vagina's gonna bite me and stuff. And it's it's not really the representation which I want to say most women want. Alright, like I'd be interested to know if the person that wrote it and the people that made the film were aware of the kind of history with like a lot of what we've been speaking about and what we're gonna go on to speak about, and it's kinda use in um kinda discussing consent and stuff like that. I mean I feel like probably considering that there is like sexual assault shown a lot, but yeah. It it gets the idea out there, it like it's another movie about sexual assault which it's a struggle to get that out there in the first place, really. Um, but we were discussing that it looks like there's gonna be a musical about Teeth anyway, so I I really want to see how hopefully the newest generation it's kind of teeth on it, yeah. Yeah, totally. I I know musicals are very usually lighthearted and musically and stuff like that. I mean, when I saw Wicked, I fucking really cried because like it was the ending and like oh you just don't hear about it. So musicals can be hard hitting and whatnot. So I don't know what this teeth musical is gonna be. I feel like we definitely need to go and see that when it comes to not in America because that'll be a wee bit far. Watch on YouTube version. But it's like um oh, actually, to add to this, um, just the sexual assault bit and stuff, we talked about um my interpretation, like um Spirit of the Way while we were in London recently. We just spoke about how the Spirit of the Way is on Broadway, is it what what is it? No, not Broadway. There's a musical in London for it in London. Yeah. Um and my interpretation is that the girl goes into prostitution and I can't remember the characters' names, but the black blob is like a punter basically. And North Face. Yes, and he gives her lots of money, he tries to tempt her and things like that, but she's like, nah, mate, don't want any of that. So there are other um adaptations of sexual assault, um, prostitution and things in like other countries and whatnot, which has been successful, absolutely. So that that at least is was like my um thoughts and how it was portrayed to me. But yeah, like I I don't know. We definitely need to like what's the word? Just be serious about it in a way sexual sort of thing. Yeah, and whereas it's something that I think is important to be shown in media as a way to make people feel less alone, like I think it needs to be done in a very careful way, yeah, so as not to like lessen the seriousness or the impact that that has. Absolutely. But yeah, so around the world there's many stories, so this one is from India. Many stories of men vanquishing vagina dentata in India that the Washington Post feorized these tales as one route of the country's rape epidemic. In what does that say? In the Indian state Madhya Pradesh, one of the most popular tales involves a Brahman. Brahman. Brahmin? Is that like an old ignore me?

unknown: 43:20

What?

Speaker 01: 43:20

I'm gonna look up all that. Okay, you're gonna love that all tonight. Who is convinced his love interest is a possessor of a toothed vagina. He hires four men of lower castes to kidnap and remove the woman's teeth down below. After their work defanging and taming the woman through trauma is done, the guy marries her, and they lived happily ever after. But probably not, let's be honest. So Brahmin is the highest class in the caste system, so that's like an upper class person, right? And there's also the cows and follic, which is that was not wow, okay. Like the big two-headed ones. That's only I think he remembered that it's spelled the same, that was why I was like, Whoa, yeah, cool. Would you like to do Africa? Yeah. Um so there are many stories throughout the African continent um of tooth vaginas, and there is an argument that these stories are the backbone um of the art uh the backbone to the practice of suppressing women's sexuality through female genital mutilation, which I find really alarming. I've not heard that before, um it's not something that I've came across, but it makes total sense. Again, it's it's this kind of duality of like the they're a help under hindrance, these stories all the time, and they are s they are continuing to kind of perpetuate this idea that women's sexuality is bad, negative, harmful, potentially lethal towards men, um, and are still having like massive influence on what is going on for women around the world today. Um there's also like a higher rate of rape in South Africa, one of the highest in the world. So it's also the place where Rapex, um which is the anti-rape condom, was created, which is filled with rolls of teeth, like I've seen it before. It was terrifying when I seen it, I didn't think it was real, but um turns out it is, and it was actually created in South Africa as a kind of I don't want to say partner piece, but like I feel like all of these things are kind of linked in together that as women are dehumanised by these stories and are treated as objects because of them, it's actually ended up being um the story that someone's used to kind of help fight the problem as well. Yeah, it's like I I've seen one of the spiked condoms, and it it's see this really determines what type of person you are. Uh-huh. Because if you look at the condom and you laugh, yeah. Or if you make a joke or something like that, then that's a massive fucking red flag. Whereas when I see it, it's depressing and it's sad. It's the reality of that African women, or just win women, um, who are in South Africa or I feel like these are leaves throughout the world, yeah. It's just that it was created there. And and because they have the what uh one of the highest um rape rates in the world, it's just like this is the reality for some people that they do wear that every day. And you know, it it does cost them money, so like they have to pay to be not necessarily safe, but to stay I don't I don't want to say safe in the world. I mean, if it's getting to that point that you're you're actually having to use that, then yeah, yeah. I mean, like, yes, it is there to stay safe, but like having a penis inside you in general, I wouldn't say that's safe. Yeah, totally. If you get what I mean, like it's it's it's like you're not safe at the end of the day. You're doing it extra precaution of it means they can catch them. That's the yeah, catch them, and I don't know if it would prev prevent um SDIs and things like that, STDs. Yeah, it would. Um yeah, it it's it's sad, it's very, very sad that there are still women out there who have to wear these and again, you have to buy them. It's not really something that's like given out, and it's it's just really sad. I'd be interested to know if they were available here. Is there not something that I've came across? No, I don't think I don't know. Hmm. We'll have to look at that afterwards because if we do find it, I I I've it would be nice to have a little blink in the bio to just where to actually find them. But again, I don't think we would wear them here. No, I think like there's a lot of precautions that people take in South Africa as just a part of everyday life. Speaking for like just knowing people that have lived there, um like I know there's like special film that people buy to put over their um the the the glas like the windscreen on their car. Yeah. That's like almost like what you would put on a phone screen, like an anti-smash stuff. Like they have they put a lot of precautions on on their everyday life living there anyway, just because it is quite dangerous, I think. Um like I know they get um self-defense classes and stuff like that in school. Like the the lassies day as part of because of the the high amounts of rape. Yeah, it's so sad. It's so part of their culture to have like um stuff to prepare for that as part of your day. So yeah, it's it's like um when we went out in London we were like make sure we look at our drinks and things like that. And that one taxi driver that was like a little bit too much for like ducked into a doorway that wasn't the place that we were going until they left kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Did the driver that we had was very um are you interesting. Beautiful women, like are you guys friends or girlfriends? Yeah, and it was very, very um pushed, I want to say. It could have been totally like um innocent, innocent, but you never know. Like we're in what to me is a foreign country in a big city. There's a lot of people in London, so yeah. And right now, I don't know if anybody um who's listening knows what's going on in England right now. There's like loads of riots and things like that, yeah. So that's not really great. So I'm very happy we got out of England when we did.

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Me too.

Speaker 01: 50:59

Me too. Um, but yeah, in Chile. Do you want me to read this one? Yep. So um the indigenous Mapuche, I could be pronouncing that wrong, of Chile, have a chill in saying a woman of striking appearance has a bite biting vagina. So again, it's just this warning to men of like beautiful women, like are I'm gonna bite you. Yeah, I mean, I feel like whenever I see a really hot woman, that's how I feel. But that's a want. She's just like, oh, she looks uh very tidy. She's very uh what's the word, just like a boss. Yeah, no, I uh yeah, just men and then in Russia the folklore of northern eastern Asia as compared with that of the northern Western America Voldabar Bor Bogora writes about hearing the tale of a beautiful young woman who is married off to a gross old man. Okay, okay. Standard. In order to avoid having sex with the guy, the young bride puts a fish head in her vagina, so its teeth will cut him every time he tries. The husband is traumatized, she calls she calls him a fool for not knowing that young girls' vaginas usually have teeth. So I can only speculate that she's quite young. Yeah. God knows how young. And she lives the rest of her life without without having sex with him. And okay. That that's that's a story. Yeah. So when when I was younger, um I had this guy friend, and me and my friend convinced them that like lassies didn't shit, and that we went to the doctors once a week and like had it all like taken out, and he like totally believed us, and like I feel like this is like feels it's the same vibe, like men just don't know about what's going on with women's bodies to the point that like that lassie's like done a shell of solid for the rest of her life, and like he's never gonna look that up, so he's just embarrassed that he didn't realize young girls have teeth in their vagina. Um what was the so it went viral on TikTok, and so many people were doing it where women put on some makeup and they were like, Oh yeah, babe, we shed like once a month, don't you know? And like some men actually believed it, and they're just like, What this just goes to prove that men and the whole world don't know that much about women and what actually happens with our bodies and everything like that. Do you know the story of um the first time NASA sent a woman to space? I think it was five days, they gave her a hundred tampons for five days, like 20 a day. Oh my god, that that's I mean we'll we'll do I mean we'll we'll do another podcast episode on it. Yeah, I think this comes back to as well, like even when I was younger, they still separated the boys and girls when they were doing sex eds. I think we were the last year that did you get that as well? Yeah, I got that as well. We went upstairs um to talk about periods. Why? Like everybody should know all of this, it's so like it's important. Do you know what I mean? It really is. Um, yeah, going back to the astronaut, it's like now that we know um that tampons like contain so much bad. They're like later than that. Yeah, yeah. Like if she wasn't certain 20 a day, which I'm not saying she was, but like if NASA fought, like she'd be fucking dead or something. Like that's like arsenic poisoning or something. So yeah, we'll do another podcast episode about that because recently there was research done with about how there's so many different ingredients in tampons of all things, and it's like toxic stuff. We're in the world. Well, I've known for ages as well that like the fibers that are made up of it come off, yeah, and like I'm not saying they always stay inside you, but there's a chance that they can go like up into your system and cause loads of problems and yeah, yeah, it's just not good. Yeah, not a lot of research done at all. But cool. So um another story from the Americas is one from the handbook of Native American mythology called The Ponka Story, um called The Teeth in the Wrong Places, which tells the story of the trickster Coyote's many sexual encounters. So Coyote, who was known for his large penis size to the point that he had to carry it around in like a barrel. Yep, this is uh very believed, yeah. Um comes upon a woman and her two beautiful, dangerous daughters rumoured to be man-eating all over the countryside with their toothed vaginas. After spending the day with the family, Coyote is invited to spend the night sleeping between the women's two the women's two daughters. After the younger daughter reveals that the woman is a witch who gave both of the young women vagina dentata, or vagina dentati, I think it's the plural. Um Coyote kills the older daughter when she attempts to bite him with her vagina. He then kills the witch and knocks out the younger daughter's vagina dentata, leaving just one blunt tooth that was very thrilling when making love. Oh my god. So so this one is very surprising with the fact that they haven't went, oh this is bad. They've went, ah, you can stop fucking. Yeah, you just gotta not you just gotta leave one for like the friction.

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I don't know.

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I feel like that would hurt, no? That's I feel like that about some piercing, so maybe it's like similar. There's just like a different sensation going on in there. Do you know what I mean? Oh god, that's what I would know. Like annoying life. Because Luffy just like kills her sister as well, and she's just like sound Yeah, like well it's just it's just knocked out. Yeah, no, no, he no, he kills the sister and then he knocks out her teeth. He knocks out all the teeth except one, leaving it in for yeah, you know, so wow, there's no consequences with this story at all. It's just nah mate, I've just committed murder and I've fucked up. The older woman was a witch, you know, so that's oh she's gotta go. But like, and like the older sister did try to bite him. Oh my god. Because that's a reason for murder, yeah. It's like, oh, you're trying to rape me. I'm gonna bite you. No, bitch, you're not, you're gonna die. So that's very interesting. That this is the um out of all the others that we've researched, this is the only one where there is no consequence, yeah. There is just satisfying sex, apparently. I think the satisfying sex is in fact consensual, or it doesn't say otherwise. I mean, if you kill ma and ma well it's not apparently the young that so the one that stayed alive and he had sex with told him that the woman was a witch. So I think Right she wanted them to kill her? Maybe. Hmm. I don't know. I don't know. I d I don't know if this story's trying to be like he saved her. Yeah, like I don't know what the moral of the story is. Yeah, yeah. I think that oh, I don't know. It's a blunt tooth. It's a blunt tooth, that's even weird, like water. it then got a mail file no no no no that's not like a thing so well it was just another another story from around the world so my my where I'm from England just to made that uh very apparent I'm from the land of chips and gravy um so in England before um before you leave this podcast thinking that women have like but women don't have teeth in their vaginas and things like that we're gonna prove you wrong just just to be better um there was a case of dermoid cyst yeah or cystic teratoma yeah which cause thank you that's the great anatomy listened to teratoma which cause um actual teeth to grow inside the uterus of a British woman the specimen is now on display in the University College London's pathology collection and is just a bit frightening you know definitely going there the next same we're gonna London which hopefully it will be well I I I will be there in November you'll be there in November I'll be there in October um I'll be touring for all those times I don't know if we'll be there beforehand we'll have to see yeah um but yeah there was an actual case of teeth in a vagina it's it's not as like scary as you there were they weren't like um daggers or anything like that. They weren't like usable teeth because they were in our uterus as well so they weren't like actually in our vagina. No. But dermoid cysts are really interesting because they can grow um they're basically made up of cells that can become anything. So sometimes they have teeth sometimes they have hair sometimes they have fingernails and they can grow I think pretty much anywhere on your no they can grow where skin meets skin. So I think they can grow like like under your arms, back of your knees, like anywhere that there's like two different types of skin like meeting each other if that makes sense. Okay. Maybe your lips then we're not doctors not this kind of thing. But because of that yes they have one inside the uterus displayed in London but they could there could be one like actually in the vagina as well. Like that is a possible place for these to grow so there could have been some examples of that that have started these myths in the first place potentially we never know so yeah um I'd like to say we do go live when we do record these podcasts um and we've got a a comment just saying many sis with teeth and lots of hair yeah so yeah yeah so interesting um yeah this has been vagina dentata uh yeah this is behind the paddle with Paulson Victoria and Emily Sin. Yeah I think that is all we've got to say now we're done absolutely we've covered every little topic yeah if you're enjoying listening to the podcast we would very appreciate if you could go on and show your support and um the option for that is on our website. Yeah support with tipping subscribing liking sharing is very much all appreciated. Yeah so yeah as always there's a little discount code for you guys which is behind the paddle if you use that at sanctuaryofsin.com you'll get a little 10% discount. 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