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Hello and welcome to Behind the Paddle Podcast with me, Emily Sun. And me, Porcel and Victoria. Yeah, and today we're going to be doing a little interview with Porcelain Victoria about what it's like dating and being an escort.

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Yes.

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So the first question is what are some of the biggest challenges you've faced in dating?

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Oh well, obviously my job is like a massive one, I would say. Yeah.

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Um sorry, well being an escort. I messed up out of the question last time.

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Uh wait, can you refer, can you say it again?

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So what are some of the biggest challenges you've faced in dating while being an escort?

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Oh, okay. So I've been an escort since like I was 18, so I've always had this.

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Yeah.

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Um I would say the problems are a lot of is the right word, misogyny?

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Probably.

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It usually is. Where the men one don't actually like women being independent. Yeah. And doing things with their own bodies. And they'd just rather not have that. They'd rather not have quote unquote their woman doing something they don't approve of. Uh absolutely came across that.

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Do you think it's like a control thing? Like just because you're saying like their woman?

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Like I think it's like an insecure thing. Yeah. Uh it it can be a control thing, but I think deep within it's like insecure.

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I think it always is with that, to be fair.

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Like with a lot of things, especially with like anger-induced stuff, it's like what they say about bullies.

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Yeah.

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It's like they've got a lot of things they need to work through.

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Yeah, it's just the fear underlying that's like Yeah.

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And like I I absolutely understand in the way of like, oh, maybe she meets a client and like they're way better. And I'm sorry to best your bubble, but like there's a lot of penises out there, and there are a lot of men out there.

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Yeah.

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I say penises because I know most men, at least ones which I've came across, are concerned about like other people's penises and stuff.

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Yeah.

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Like I had a guy who was like, you can tell me everything, just don't tell me their penis size.

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Oh my god.

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And it's like, wait, what?

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Yep.

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That sees a lot. It says a lot.

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Yeah. And I was just like, okay. Um, right. So yeah, I think it comes down to just the men being insecure.

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Yeah.

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I can understand. Like, I've had instances where like I've went to a swingers club with my partner and I'm just a bit concerned, where like I'm not concerned. I'm a bit worried. What's the word?

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I'm just a weirdo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm just like, oh, she's really pretty. What what if they get on really well and whatnot? But that kind of went away for me. Like the insecure part.

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So do you think it comes from like jealousy then? Just from what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01: 3:22

Yeah, je jealousy. And from just being insecure about your own body. And some men, I don't want to say all, but they seem to think women are not necessarily enjoying escorting or enjoying flirting with men, but we're like vixens in a way. And that we attract other men and w we we can help it, but at the same time we can't. Yeah. You know, it's it's something we have no control over. Just the men flock to us. Yeah, I yeah, I think other men can be insecure, and then that hits on being jealous. Yeah. And not having good boundaries in a way. Yeah. And everything being everywhere. Yeah.

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Um, how and when do you typically disclose your profession to someone that you're dating?

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Um, I disclose my profession to like practically everybody.

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Yeah. I know. So like put it all on the table up front. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

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Like so, like, just in general. So, like, for example, um we were at a be a a kid's birthday party the other day, and the parents came up to us and they were like, Oh, we should meet up sometime and whatnot. And I'm just like, we discussed how I have five dogs, and they were like, I I I I was so ready for the question of how do you afford that?

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Yeah.

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And like, what jobs do you do? And I was like, I'm gonna say to them, I work in the adult industry, yeah. And then if they want to question it further, that's up to them.

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Yeah, they've consented at that point to like yeah, totally.

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Um, and that is just how I'm gonna root out my friends who are parents, like if they approve of that or not. Like, if they don't, bye-bye.

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Totally, totally, I think that's totally fair.

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I I don't want my we one to be around that. So that's what I do like in every day and whatnot. When it comes to dating, it's very high up there on the list of things that I need to mention, and I feel like it shouldn't be, but it is sadly one of those things where it's like so I sleep with men.

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Uh-huh.

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And I used to say, Oh, I I'm just a I'm a dominatrix.

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Yeah.

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But now I'm like full force. Yeah. And just I'm an escort. I sleep with men.

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You don't want to waste your time. Do you know what I mean? If someone like has an issue with that, it's gonna be a parent up front, and then you've no spent like weeks or months speaking to them prior to that, like I totally get that.

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Exactly.

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I take it you wouldn't be allowed to put it in your profile. So to just get it really up front.

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So I was on a few profiles, um, a few network not networks, what's the I'm used to networking.

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Uh what you call them social media, like dating apps.

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Dating apps, that's a word. Oh my gosh. Dating apps. Um yeah, so I was on a few dating apps, and one of them, one of them in particular, which was a kink one, which is quite well known as like the only freaking kink app. Yeah. Um, I did pot that I was a sex worker. Uh not explicitly that like a sleep with men or anything like that, just sex worker. Yeah. And then when they ask what do you do, I'd talk about it in person. Yeah. I've been banned off Tinder.

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Well, that's probably not the worst thing in the world.

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So many people are on there though.

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Maybe not the right people. Yeah, no.

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Which is why I like the kink one, because at least what is that one?

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I don't think I know that one.

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Field.

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Oh, right, yeah, yeah. I do know that one.

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Like, it's the only one which I know is like an actual app app. Yeah. Like, I think there's another kink one, but that's kind of old school. Yeah. It's like a website rather than the app. Um, but yeah, there's Badoo.

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And I think everybody listening is gonna be like writing all these dentists that can find you.

SPEAKER_01: 8:04

Oh god. That that is completely I don't know. I had a thought about this. I'm gonna mention to you about doing this type of uh podcast, yeah, this episode, because I was like, what if somebody contacted me that listened to the podcast and was like, oh, she's single.

SPEAKER_02: 8:23

Yeah, I want to message her. We've just made this and it'll look an advert when you get an day at this point. I was trying to avoid that like proper lonely heart, like oh that's hilarious.

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I will say though, my standards are quite high apparently, but I would just call that standard in general. Um, just to make any folks knowing your world, like I'm learning that, but um, yeah, there's Bado, which I think is Russian or something like that. I don't know if I know that one. It's got a fuck ton of people in it.

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And it's been a while for me.

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It's got a lot of people on there, which was crazy.

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Yep.

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Um, it's alright, they give you like a little trial or whatnot, which is cool because I love the idea. It's it's such a good idea. People want to date to charge for a dating app, and you can charge ridiculous rates. I love that. It's so good with money-wise, and like, oh um, yeah, Badoo's good, it's alright, it's not too bad. You there's there's a few kinky people on there, but it's like it's not specifically kinky or anything like that. Um I got a warning recently from it though.

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All right, why?

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So it wasn't so field is really great because you can write a big thousand-word uh essay, yeah, about yourself. I I did have it, I I did have recently in it that I had like complex trauma and all that stuff. And and then I was like, no, that's too much. That's too much.

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See, I never get this with it. Like, I feel like surely it's better to just be like your weird cell up front. Oh yeah. Rather than like there's this whole thing. And I don't know, I feel I don't even want to keep labeling things as like neurotypical and neurospicy, but I feel like this is like the classic neurotypical thing where like you pretend to be the like the best version of not even yourself, just like of anybody will your own dates to you like trick them into like building a relationship with it, and then you let the weird do it. And I'm like, nah, be weird not for like why would you want what if they were doing the same and then you don't get to meet them until like three months in? Like that.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, like terrifies me. Like, I don't know, everybody just be weird up front.

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Like, yeah, it's it's like with the with the clothes that I wear, it's like not really the norm and whatnot. So I've just basically said to myself, fuck it, I'll just wear whatever and whatnot. Like I've got my mum clothes, and I've got like my kind of out there clothes just a little bit, like this is just this just a little bit, but um but yeah, absolutely, I absolutely understand that, and like I am very much really upfront with a lot of things, yeah. But with Badoo, I was speaking to a small handful of people, and they asked me what my job was and whatnot, and I put you know, escort and dominatrix, yeah. And today I got a message from Badoo and they it's on my phone, and they were like, You're not following the guidelines, and I was like, Bish, you can see in my message then that I'm just saying that this is my job title, yeah. Like, I'm not trying to get a big thing.

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Do you think it's like a ball?

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Do you think it's like I think they've hooked onto the word escort or dominatrix, something like that.

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Just start using the numbers. Numbers? Yeah, like put like a zero in C D I know.

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I know it's a pin. If a man can't fucking understand what I'm trying to say, I think I'm fucking imagining that.

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That's totally fair. I'm in for the bots, I mean for the people.

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I know, but I I'm hoping that the men don't struggle to figure not figure out what the one I'm saying.

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That's totally fair.

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Like this one number.

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Read between the lines.

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Again, this is like a needle in a haystack for me.

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I mean it's a needle in the haystack for everybody. Like, I can imagine that this makes it decidedly harder.

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Oh, absolutely. Because like they go into the next question because otherwise we're gonna fucking carry on. No, no, what were you gonna say? It's fine. I'm gonna go in the AHD run. Um because like I have my job, which is one hurdle, I have my child, which is another, I have dogs. Five. Five dogs. Just five, just five, maybe six at some point. Or seven. We'll we'll see. I have plans, maybe, I don't know. Um and then I've got like my complex trauma, but most importantly who doesn't know these days, though not to mention like uh ADHD and like being autistic, all that. You're on the pros list though. Not when like I'm on a date and somebody's trying to talk to me and I'm just glazed over, just staring at them like I want to fucking kill them. Like I don't know about that. Um but like I also because I am primarily sub, which yes, I know, very surprising. Um I want somebody who would dom me and things like that. Yeah, but I like the DGLG side of it and the pet play side of it. Finding somebody who likes the DGLG side, not that bad. But the pet play side. Yeah. Oh well like no, no. It's very much harder. Especially if you are just like on a normal dating app, which is why I feel like field that there should be a lot more kink apps, absolutely.

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Like I like There's definitely the people for it. Like it always confuses me, like why there isn't more like stuff about it. But yeah, I think it's becoming that mainstream that it's like getting less like a niche thing to be covered. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know how to word that better, but like Yeah, I understand that.

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Yeah, it's it's getting more like normalized.

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Like you could go on Tinder and find someone kinky, like it's no Oh yeah, like aye.

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I've I've also just had a lot of guys who have went and said and they're just like, Oh, I haven't really tried this in kink, and oh I'm a beginner, and it's like no no no mate, I'm I'm not fucking training you up to possibly leave me, yeah, and not say that our kinks on a line together or whatnot.

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No thing. Because you never know, like you're not gonna know that until you're doing it, yeah.

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Like and it's like being with somebody in a kink relationship, it takes time and it takes trust and things like that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I don't have months along the line, and I don't want to have months on the line as well to possibly see if there is a relationship or not.

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Like, like you want someone that knows what they want, yeah, and that it's the same as you, which is totally fair. I think that's totally fair.

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Oh, I I also just want somebody who owns their own home and has a good job. Uh-huh. And that's fucking difficult these days. So like I'm sorry, all the all the Tesco workers and that. I'm sorry. No.

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Did we say so how do you typically disclose that? So how do you do you just is that like that's the first word? How do you go about it? Do you pick your moment or do you just go like, oh, we're we're chatting now, like here you go, here's my list.

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Honestly, that's not far off. Because like the way my mind works and how fed up I am with just like not finding the right person. It's just like you can get straight to the questions. Yeah, like we can we can do the hey, how are you? What have you done today and stuff like that? That's cool. Yeah, but then it's like, what's your job? Do you have any kids? Do you want more kids?

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Yeah.

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Do you are you religious? What are your views on this? What are your views on that?

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You get the like compatibility questions out of the way. Like that's like I don't know why that is like a whole thing. Do you know what I mean? And people are like, Well, you shouldn't they speak about that straight away?

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And I'm like, It just makes sense.

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Why would you waste all your time? Like, what's the point in finding that out weeks down the line when you like already like have feelings for someone?

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Exactly. And then you go, oh shit, they support Trump. And it's just like, oh no. Or like they're just not compatible kink-wise.

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Yeah.

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And which is a need, you know, that's like like during the podcast, I was like, oh shit, maybe like BDSM is like my sexuality and whatnot, because like I need it. Yeah, yeah. It is an absolute must.

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Yeah.

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It's uh yeah, there's a lot of hurdles, but the way I talk to people is like if they ask my job, cool, there you go. Yeah, I won't just be like this, I won't throw the information at them.

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Um still wait till it can it comes up in conversation.

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Yeah, like there needs to be, I I feel in a conversation, there needs to be like one question after another or something that leads to something.

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Yeah, like a bit back and forth.

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Yeah, like if it comes to like a dead end, like you get a reply saying, Oh yeah, what uh today's been good. Yeah, like is that like with me, I'm like, this is what happens step by step today.

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This yeah I feel like you really need to start dating women.

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Women scare me.

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Fair.

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Like w when I like them on the dating app, they don't usually message. So like I feel like it's the same. Yeah, like women are just scared of women. I find that really common. Where just it's it's just one of those things.

SPEAKER_02: 19:06

Yeah, it's that whole running jokey about like two lesbians like meeting eyes at the bar and then just like never speaking to each other and going home.

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Like I did try and date. I I did go on a like I have done stuff with girls before, okay? Just saying. But like I've kissed a girl and done stuff.

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Oh, I nearly burst on this song there. That would have been bad.

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But yeah, I did like the first proper date I went on with a woman, she was a few years younger than me, and she revealed to me on the date, which I travelled quite a while, but it was far away just a bit. She revealed to me that she didn't come out to her mum, and her mum like actually dropped her off. Oh my god. And she just kept talking about um some guy she fucked and like missed him and whatnot on the entire date.

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That's always fun. Yeah.

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And I was like, I'm sorry if you're closeted, I don't know if I will be able to do this because I am like loud and proud and everything like that. Um it would just be very hard to know that I wouldn't be able to hold hands with like my partner or something, and like I would be interested, like literally leaving the restaurant. She was like, if my mum asks, you're my friend, and it was like ah, okay. So it was a bit uncomfortable situation, yeah. But I'm I'm down for girls, quiz, whatever, you know, anything golden retriever boys are alright, but anything else it looks like the grass is greener, but don't know if I've got the cojones to like do that.

SPEAKER_02: 21:02

Oh so what's the kind of general reaction been from potential partners when they've learned about your job?

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So some have been okay with it and I've unmatched them for what other reasons, yeah. Like some some have been nice where it's like, oh I don't judge.

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Yeah.

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But that put me off because I was like, oh, this is my job.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, if it's not your cup of tea, that's cool. And then they replied with oh, I'm not judgmental. And it's like, I don't care if you're judgmental, like that's not what the question Yeah, it it's like if you're okay with it, yeah. Like that's that's what I want to know if you're okay with it, if you're able to cope with knowing that a penis is inside of me and it's not yours, and I'm gonna come home talking about how big this cock was and whatnot. Yeah, because that's real. Like I don't know if everybody speaks about their day, but yeah, like I I talk a lot. I like doing it, and it's good to like air out the laundry and like talk about how you felt today and things, yeah. Um, but I just talk a lot in detail. Um so I've had the okay reaction. I've had the reaction of somebody who I I unmatched for everyone down the line, because I was so baffled and dumbfounded just about their reply, because they were just like oh, so you enjoy sex then? I was like, I mean, yes, I do, and they were like, How much of it do you have? And I was like, That's none of your fucking business. Yeah. Um like I had to explain to one person because we got talking about like restaurants and food and stuff.

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This is a separate person, yeah.

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This is a separate person, and I think the question that I asked was like, what was your perfect day and whatnot? And like they talked and then I said mine, and I was like, it doesn't need to be somewhere fancy and whatnot. Yeah. And so we got talking and I was like, oh, I I usually like to go to high-end restaurants with men. And he was like, Oh, and I was like, Yeah, I told you I was an escort.

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Yeah.

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And he was like, Oh, okay. So like what what what happens? Do you take them home afterwards? And I was like, if it's mutually agreed and he's paid for that time.

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Yeah.

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Yes. And he was like, Oh, okay. And I think with that person I I I just don't think he realized what exactly he was getting himself into. So I was like, I'm an unmatch with you because again, it's the same with Kink. I don't want to go through the whole Holding someone's hand the full time. Yeah, yeah. There is well, the there was the other guy which I spoke to you about, uh, but we'll come back to that earlier question. Yeah.

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Just go for it, it's fine. We can just take it out.

SPEAKER_01: 24:33

Um yeah, there was a guy who he was like, what's your job? And I was like, well, my profile doesn't sexual, but uh, I'm a escort and dominatrix. And the second reply which I got was one word, oh, and that was it. And I was like, oh what the fuck? And someone replied, and I was just like, oh, question mark, and he was like, Oh, I just didn't expect it, and I'm just like, but you just said oh, like and like I have been like unmatched by guys when I've mentioned my job, and I'm just like cool, okay. But it comes the same with like uh where I'm like primarily sub, and they've went, oh sorry, I'm trying to uh explore my sub side for themselves, and I'm like, that's cool, yeah, that's cool. Like, I am a switch, but I'm primarily subby because I want to be cared for and everything like that. Like, freaking, we were talking about this a few days ago, and I was like, Oh my god, I'm the stereotype, where it's like a big time CEO wants to go visit a Dominatrix just to be submissive and whatnot, have some time off, yeah, and whereas you know, in my work I'm a I I mainly do dominatrix in, and it's just a lot in general, and it's the same with Escalon as well, there is a lot that comes with it, and the comparison between like I just want to be like subby at home and just taken care of and a total princess, which women should be princesses and queens in general, or just anybody in a relationship with each other should be seen that way. So, like I just found that so funny that it was just like I've never thought of it that way. Oh, we know, and I was just like, wow.

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Do you find that like helps keep quite like a good kind of distinction between the two? Like you can kind of shut off at the end of the day because it's like totally different in your personal life, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, I've thought about it with being dominant all the time or primarily dominant, and it just doesn't work for me.

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Yeah.

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Because I want that care for me and things like that. I totally get that. And I think when if the relationship isn't working, I've had this previously, if the relationship isn't working, why do I want to be dominant towards you when you already feel like a client, if that makes any sense?

SPEAKER_02: 27:20

Like it can blur that line a bit.

SPEAKER_01: 27:22

Yeah, because the relationship's already failing and I'm not enjoying like sexual stuff, intimacy with you when I'm domming and just in general. Why why would I want to like do that? Because then that makes it feel like work.

SPEAKER_02: 27:41

Yeah, like work that you're doing for free at that point, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 27:47

And I want to be like appreciated and everything like that. Um yeah, there just needs to be a good relationship where the sex part of it and like the kink part of it doesn't make it feel like work.

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Yeah.

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So there there still needs to be like a really, really good relationship. Like that's what I've found really difficult with previous relationships where it's slowly not working, uh in the realm of it. Which is never fun, like no, no, and it's like oh, maybe we should like have sex tonight or do a kinky scene, yeah, and that'll bring the spark back, yeah. But like nine times out of ten, I don't feel like doing that, and even like mid-sene, I'm like, nah, I can't do this. It feels like I'm at work, yeah. Um and even if like it's the other way around, it can still feel like work because the other person might not be doing something right in a certain way, yeah, and it just feels at work. It's like I've had uh time with guys where it has been sexual and they either give up trying to make you calm or orgasm, whatnot, and or and or they're tired and they've came, uh-huh, so there's no need to do anything with you. And I like I've had that before in relationships and dates and things, and it's like all about them. And it's like, no, yeah, I don't want that. That makes me feel like it's worth, yeah, and then I I I fake it sometimes because it's just not worth it. It's not worth hearing them or seeing them clearly not interested while they're trying to like pummel your fucking vagina and like do whatever, like it's just not worth it.

SPEAKER_02: 29:46

Yeah, I'm gonna circle back to my earlier point of women five.

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On Badoo, there was a lot of women. Uh-huh. A lot of women of more than field.

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Yeah.

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It was crazy. And I'm just like, oh. They're really hot. They're like hot goffy chicks. And I'm just like, can I do that? Like, I've I think it comes to like insecurity as well when it comes to dating women. Because it's like w women for me, they're a bit more catty in a way.

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Or can be, yeah.

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Um, and you you have to be you have to it's the same with men as well. You have to make sure that you're on the same page and you've got the same interests and everything like that. Yeah. And you won't clash heads.

SPEAKER_02: 30:41

Um so have you have you been on a date with a woman and told them what your job is? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have like a different reaction? Or is it just kind of is it hard to compare?

SPEAKER_01: 30:56

Um I want to say I haven't dated enough women or spoken to enough women to actually speak on that.

SPEAKER_03: 31:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:07

But the reaction which I have had is fine, yeah. Honestly. They've they've seemed okay with it. Uh when it comes to people who are kinky and like in open relationships and like poly, they're more acceptant as well. Which just makes total sense. Yeah. Total sense. Absolutely. Um which I I would push all those in the same category of like accepting sex work.

SPEAKER_02: 31:42

Yeah. Just all alternative kind of yeah. Like sexual relationships. Like how we've kind of spoken about before, like it makes sense, like they're already kind of existing outside the kind of like normative way of being. So it makes sense that they are more open to like other different kind of alternative, like I don't even want to call it an alternative job, it's just maybe one that people don't think about until it's in front of them. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 32:08

Yeah, it's still taboo in the heart of most people, yeah. Which is why like I'm prepping myself mentally for like when I tell uh my kids, like uh mothers, the parents and whatnot, if they only if they want like a play date and they ask. Like I'm not gonna blurt out and be like, I'm gonna score, yeah, or like a beat men up. Because I uh we we can go we can I'm sure make another podcast episode about just friends and sex workers because I've got a good few stories with that where I guess women are the answer.

SPEAKER_02: 32:54

I just I'm just basing it on the things that you have been saying, but I keep saying like the only difference is that they don't have a penis, but then I'm like dildos are fine, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 33:07

Dildos are absolutely fine.

SPEAKER_03: 33:09

You get ones that heat up and that now, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 33:12

Oh, interesting. Talk about that. I I've not tried any, I've just seen them, and I was like, hmm, yeah. No mindfucker looking blow up while in there. Oh, I don't want to think about that, though.

SPEAKER_01: 33:36

Um I think that's Orion, that's not anything does get picked up on the mic. Yeah, that isn't us. Yeah. That isn't a French bulldog.

SPEAKER_02: 33:47

So what would you say to someone who has misconceptions about dating a sex worker?

SPEAKER_01: 33:53

Um we we're not riddled with STDs or SDIs. We don't I guess you you could say this about dominatrix, absolutely. We don't hate men. We like money.

SPEAKER_02: 34:10

Yeah. Oh, I love that. That's like a quote.

SPEAKER_01: 34:19

Full stop, that's it.

SPEAKER_02: 34:20

Yeah, that's gone in like the the description for this. That's great.

SPEAKER_01: 34:26

Um we are not I can't speak for everybody, but I'm not gonna cheat on you because I need sex or want sex, or I'm I'm a a vixen that needs all these sexual needs and whatnot. Like I only like have certain types of bookings every so often, but even back in the day when I had a a good quiet clientele with escorting, um it like you get burnt out, absolutely, but it's not for me, like I love sex, I absolutely fucking love it. Like I love that, but it's like it's not on my mind like every day, like masturbation, sure, like every other day and whatnot, but I'm not going out there looking for men.

SPEAKER_02: 35:36

Yeah, like it's it's work, yeah. It's your job.

SPEAKER_01: 35:39

I like to get paid. Yeah, like I recently had been in a relationship for so long, and during that I didn't cheat, I didn't go out looking the dick even though there wasn't any.

SPEAKER_02: 35:54

Because cheating's like going back on what you've said, it's not having sex with somebody because like loads of people as you were saying like exist in polyamorous relationships, and like it's all about what is agreed between those two parties, and like that's a conversation that you would have with a partner.

SPEAKER_01: 36:10

Exactly, yeah. I I don't believe we are bad people for doing sex work. The like sure you can say we're going to hell or anything like that, but Again, who is Nay at this point?

SPEAKER_02: 36:28

Yeah, exactly. They're just like slapping that label on way too many people these days. Yeah. Like that's where I want to be, that's where all the fun people are gonna be.

SPEAKER_01: 36:43

It's Stalin and like all that stuff. I love how like that's on the same level though.

SPEAKER_02: 36:48

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, like it's just ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01: 36:51

This is another thing which I have to prepare myself for.

SPEAKER_02: 36:54

What hell?

SPEAKER_01: 36:55

No Going down there in a fucking firebasket. No. If it looks like you this is gonna sound so bad. If you have a good connection to your parents, uh-huh. I don't know if we can date. Because you are gonna have to tell your parents at some point. Depends on the parents though. Depends on the person. Yeah, but do you wanna take that risk again? It's the whole waiting months and dating somebody or seeing somebody talking to them and for their parents to go, no, you're not dating her. Uh-huh. She's a whore.

SPEAKER_03: 37:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 37:34

Like she has her legs open all the time.

SPEAKER_03: 37:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 37:37

Um, so like that's another thing which I have to prepare myself for. Because like, if there's pictures of like them being really close to their family, I'm like, I don't know if I would make that a hard and fast rule.

SPEAKER_02: 37:51

I feel like that's a conversation.

SPEAKER_01: 37:53

Oh, it absolutely is. It's it's it's it's a I'm gonna think about it in the back of my mind if it would work. Yeah. Because I don't really speak to my family and whatnot. Even though they know what I do, I don't really speak to them. So, like, I don't know how it would go down with most people if they tell their parents um my partner's a sex worker.

SPEAKER_02: 38:19

Um I mean, loads of people are doing sex work these days. Like, I'm not saying it's totally normalized, but in some circles it's probably fine. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 38:29

In some circles, I feel like when somebody is like, oh, they're a sex worker, they go, Oh, they do OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_02: 38:35

Yeah, that's probably fair.

SPEAKER_01: 38:38

And it's just like, no, no, no. I I whip men, fuck them up the ass, and like they can shag me. Yeah, like that's that's my job. Um so yeah, I have to think about that. But yeah, I we're we're not as bad as people think. We're not like some of us are like full-on feminists and things, but that's that's a different conversation when it comes to the word feminist. Um because everybody has their different adaptations, and we were talking about this recently where there are feminists out there who don't approve of sex work, don't approve of abortions and things like that.

SPEAKER_02: 39:21

So, like I don't know if we can call them feminists at this point.

SPEAKER_01: 39:26

They call themselves though, that's what I'm on about. Yeah. Um, so like yeah, we're we're not all like women hating women no, men hating, we yeah, that. Yeah. We're not all like men hating.

SPEAKER_02: 39:45

Or women hating. I feel like that's like a cliche as well.

SPEAKER_01: 39:48

As like the yeah. That's actually true. I wonder if I'll run into that when talking to women.

SPEAKER_02: 39:57

Um I feel like this is quite a good way of like I don't know if this is like totally off topic, but like my grand and granddad when I was looking for jobs way back when were like, Oh, you've got a face, Pearson, like what have you done? Like this, that, the next thing. Um, and also I had an interview and I was talking about uh speaking about having autism at the interview and they were like, No, no, you can't do that, you can't do that. And I'm like, no, because if they if that is the reason I don't get the job, I don't want to work there anyway. Yeah. Like I feel like it's quite like that's relatable in the sense of it then. Like it's quite a good way just like getting rid of anybody that's not gonna suit like really quickly. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 40:39

It it's like for me, it's getting it's talking about the shit which might turn people off.

SPEAKER_02: 40:46

You're finding out a lot about their values just from that one conversation.

SPEAKER_01: 40:51

Absolutely, yeah. Like like I had one guy who was absolut so I want to call him a collector. Alright. And he was talking about a dragon or something prostitutes.

SPEAKER_02: 41:07

Oh no, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 41:08

So different direction. Not Jack the Ripper, but he we started talking, it was great, he was lovely, he was nice, and then he started talking about how he's dated previous sex workers, but kind of stalked them in a way and was happy about seeing them and getting all the experiences for free. And he was like, How did you get into sex work? Yeah, and I was like, No, no, no, no, no, we're not going into this conversation, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 41:43

Just a wee bit too keen, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 41:46

Very and yeah, he he just sounded like a collector of somebody who wanted to ha date OnlyFans creators and things like that.

SPEAKER_02: 42:02

Speaking of slightly, um have you ever had to navigate a situation where a client wanted to become more personally involved? How did you handle it? So kind of like the opposite way around what we've just been speaking about.

SPEAKER_01: 42:15

Um, it's it's a very difficult question because like if they're hot, that's that's difficult.

SPEAKER_03: 42:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 42:22

But at the same time, me personally, I don't know if I would date a client. It would really depend. It really, really, really would depend on a lot of things. Um, their situation and why they came to see me and everything that combined, but I don't know. I don't hold it against people or anything like that who would see clients, uh see escorts or dominatrixes. Like a need is a need, that's absolutely fine. Yeah. But say for instance, like you were married, no. I I would not be going on a date with you or anything like that. Um I don't I don't I I don't judge, but I do at the same time.

SPEAKER_02: 43:15

Yeah. Like you have your own values, you have your own boundaries. Yeah, yeah. And it's not that you're judging them, it's just it's not for you.

SPEAKER_01: 43:21

Yeah. Yeah. It's very if your partner doesn't know that you're coming to see a sex worker, how can I trust you? Yeah. In the future.

SPEAKER_02: 43:33

That's totally valid.

SPEAKER_01: 43:34

Like it's I'm sorry to say, but it is cheating at the end of the day. And I don't think a lot of men realise that.

SPEAKER_02: 43:44

Yeah, because it's going out with like the kind of unspoken terms of that relationship. Like or spoken potentially as well.

SPEAKER_01: 43:52

Like I I had one guy who got really obsessive with me. I mean, there's been a few.

SPEAKER_02: 44:01

Is it quite not common, but that's like another trope. That's another like kind of cliche.

SPEAKER_01: 44:05

Yeah, it's another thing. I become like a trophy on a shelf.

SPEAKER_02: 44:08

So it does happen quite. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 44:11

I had one guy who nearly like killed himself basically because he wanted to get with me. Uh-huh. And I was like, no, no, thank you. Don't it's not that you've hired me, it's a lot of other factors about who you are as a person.

SPEAKER_02: 44:27

You're just not interested.

SPEAKER_01: 44:29

Yeah. And like he he was an okay client in the way of I earned a good amount of money from him and things, but I had to talk to myself and be like, we're cutting this off.

SPEAKER_03: 44:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 44:45

Because I I love money, I absolutely do. But when it's really affecting the other person's mental health in the way of like they were so detrimental to them, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like they weren't really struggling for money, but they wanted to see me a lot, and I could see the fact that they were fantasizing about a real life and stuff, and I was like, no, no, this can't happen. Um they turned out to be a complete prick anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 45:16

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 45:17

Because once I said that I wasn't gonna see him, I didn't see him, I think, for a year and a half, maybe something like that. And then he saw me for an escort booking and was an absolute prick, and he was just like, Oh, I could get this for free. And I was like, Okay, bye. Yeah, get out when you go then, yeah. Like I um kicked him out and whatnot.

SPEAKER_02: 45:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 45:42

Well, that's it. That seems like a breakup, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02: 45:44

It seems like an ex like coming and spiteful.

SPEAKER_01: 45:48

Yeah, there's a lot of uh well, I I've had bits where people just think they can talk to you days on end. And I've had people refer to me as a friend, yeah. And I'm like, No. Oh like I I I am somebody you pay for, you employ, is that right?

SPEAKER_03: 46:15

Employee's probably a good word for that. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 46:18

Yeah. Um what else is there? There was somebody who was like, Oh, you should come over to mine and like I've got like some lamb chops and whatnot, and like he sent me a pigeon with his freezer, it was well with.

SPEAKER_02: 46:35

But with lamb chops.

SPEAKER_01: 46:36

And I was like, I'm so sorry, but I'm really not attracted to you or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02: 46:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:41

Um like it does happen when like um providers do like one of their clients, but again, there's a lot of factors to talk about. Yeah. Um and it's very, very difficult because the times which I've said that to people where I've said I'm not interested, or I've tried to like sway them from liking me.

SPEAKER_02: 47:06

Like, can he let them done gently?

SPEAKER_01: 47:08

Yeah, yeah. It's not turned out great, and I've never seen him again. Yeah. Oh, that's it. There was a client, oh my god. I doubt he'll listen to the podcast, but he was fair as fuck. He was so nice, he was like ex-army, bearded, muscle. So nice.

SPEAKER_03: 47:27

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 47:28

Um and I was on tour in Manchester, and he was like, Oh, who's like like we got talking because I was like, oh, this is nice. And we got talking, and he was like, Oh, who's looking after like the Wii one? And at the time I had a partner, yeah. And I was like, Oh um, my partner's looking after the wee one. I got blocked instantly. And I was like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03: 47:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 47:56

After like talking and like like he was a client, but after like talking and getting to know him and things, blocked. Yeah. Not a fucking second thought, not a message or anything like that, just blocked. I've not recovered clearly. Um but yeah, there's been times where I've just had to not be so nice to people, sadly. Yeah. Where it's just like no.

SPEAKER_02: 48:26

Yeah. And like that you have to keep yourself safe at the end of the day. Absolutely. Like that's the most important thing. So what advice would you give to someone who is also navigating dating while working as an escort?

SPEAKER_01: 48:42

Don't fall in love with your clients. Don't do that. Don't it's not good.

SPEAKER_03: 48:51

Um what what was the question exactly?

SPEAKER_02: 48:58

What advice would you give to someone who's also navigating, dating while working as an escort? I mean, we can just leave it at that if you want. I feel like that's like fair.

SPEAKER_01: 49:05

Yeah, don't date your clients, don't fall in love with them or anything like that. It's all a facade. I'm sorry. Um you you won't know the true person when like you're working and stuff, and on the outside of like lifestyle, I would absolutely say I'm sorry, but the whole oh they'll they'll like me no matter what. Like we've we've spent so many months talking, and yeah, it it won't matter to him because or or or them because they'll they'll see through it, like it's fine, it's just a job. Bullshit. Yeah, bullshit.

SPEAKER_02: 49:48

Like it's quite a polarizing issue. Like people tend to feel quite strongly either way about it. I've known many people who are just like neutral, that just like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 50:00

Yeah, like j j just being neutral, like it's it's okay, but I want to see a reaction, if that makes any sense. I mean, I'm never dating somebody who's neutral.

SPEAKER_02: 50:14

What's the reaction you'd be looking for then?

SPEAKER_01: 50:16

What oh nice, that's cool. Oh shit, I don't know. I don't know, it's such a difficult question. I I don't want you to like ask too many questions about my job. Uh-huh. I certainly do not want you to ask me how the fuck did I start sex work? Yeah, because that's got nothing to do with it. Um that's like a later on down the line question. Honestly, I'd just be like, here's my podcast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 50:47

Like go and have a listen. Yeah. You're gonna send people the link to this episode.

SPEAKER_01: 50:52

Well, I've got it on my bio.

SPEAKER_02: 50:56

Well, on your actual data. That's amazing. That's so funny. Just like go and listen to that.

SPEAKER_01: 51:04

Check out behind the bottom podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 51:08

No, I mean specifically this episode, like just just do them this. That can be their introduction to oh god.

SPEAKER_01: 51:17

That'd be good. Like, if they pass that, that's fine. Yeah. Um I don't know what I would want the reaction to be. I I would want them maybe say, like, nice, I'm all for people doing what they want to do.

SPEAKER_03: 51:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 51:37

I and then go to I think I would be comfortable with that or uncomfortable. Just say what you would actually feel.

SPEAKER_03: 51:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 51:48

In the thoughts of, I know it's hard to imagine your your like girlfriend fucking another man for some people.

SPEAKER_02: 51:55

But I mean some fuck are like well buzzing for that.

SPEAKER_01: 51:58

I think I mean. Um I think that would be very interesting if I got with somebody like cut cold. Yeah, I like that. That that sounds kind of good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 52:08

Then you'll not have to like find the person.

SPEAKER_01: 52:10

But they still have to have a big dick, I feel like I'm sorry, that's that's one of my things in the list. Um, but yeah, it would have to be something along the lines of yeah, I support sex workers.

SPEAKER_02: 52:27

So you want a kind of active, you want like a positive reaction.

SPEAKER_01: 52:30

You want to because previously I ignore the red flags. I really do. It's not great.

SPEAKER_02: 52:37

No comments.

SPEAKER_01: 52:41

Like, I want somebody who's like not afraid to tell their mum about my job, who's not afraid to for me to actually say what I do. I don't I don't want to be hidden.

SPEAKER_02: 52:51

Yeah. Like that kind of feel nice. No, no. Like you you're living your best life, like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 52:59

I remember when I did tell somebody halfway through dating them that this is my job, which I don't recommend because at the same time, if you're sexually active with like more than one person, they all need to know.

SPEAKER_02: 53:14

I think that's fair.

SPEAKER_01: 53:15

Um, but I told him halfway through the sort of dating stage, and it was not great. Like he worked at a bar and he then took like two shots and like took whiskey behind the doors and stuff. So not that reaction then. No, no, no, it's not great. No, I d I don't want that reaction, but again, this is why you say it first. Like you bring it up in like the baby step stages, yeah. Of just getting to know somebody.

SPEAKER_02: 53:51

Cool. I feel like we've kinda covered pretty much everything, other than how do you see your future in terms of both your career and personal life? No, I want to say this is not my question because I don't like this question, but I feel like it's a good one to cover. So, do you envision a time when you might leave Esquirt in for a more traditional relationship dynamic?

SPEAKER_01: 54:14

So I like this question, so I wanted to keep this question in because it sounds like something um somebody in like church would say, like an older folk, like or a potential like person that you're dating as well.

SPEAKER_02: 54:30

Oh might ask about.

SPEAKER_01: 54:31

Yeah, because I've had people who have asked, like, oh, have you thought about doing something quote unquote normal and whatnot?

SPEAKER_02: 54:38

Like if someone tries to like save you. Like bring you back to them traditional gender rules, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 54:46

Oh my god, I'm not a fucking damsel in distress. Like, I I just need a good fuck about them. So um I've been doing this since I was 18. Like, even before that, really, I've always enjoyed sex work, um a bunch of different varieties of it, and I don't I don't think that I will ever go back to a normal job. I I've actually had a normal job, thank you. Because I a lot of people I find are surprised that I've actually had the normal job.

SPEAKER_02: 55:28

It's because you were so young when you started, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 55:31

It makes sense that yeah, but yeah, and that I've actually went to college, like I haven't done uni fuck that. I like I'm I'm sure I will at some fucking point. I keep thinking about it, but it's a lot of fucking effort just to go, yeah, I got a fucking degree and then not put it towards anything. But I could, I could. I did think about when I retire, I could actually be a sexual relationship therapist. I would love that, that would be good. I'd like that. I mean, I feel like I'd want to hit most of the fucking men that come in because I feel like you're way too open for that job.

SPEAKER_02: 56:11

Like you would just be biting your tongue the whole time.

SPEAKER_01: 56:17

Yeah, then when it's my time to speak, it's like you ow! No, done. She's with me now. Like, um, so like that that potentially in the future, but I've already I I've had a few things of what I want to do, like a dog cafe, like it's very out there and different, it's nothing to do with sex work, so like a cafe with like dog rescues and stuff, like that'll be fucking mint. I'd love that, but it's kind of it's not really that possible. Um there's a lot of hair girls to go over and actually the rescue us that will actually uh the rescues that will actually be okay with having dogs there and things. A lot of stuff. Um there's that, so dog calf. Again, not really a traditional, yeah. Yeah, they've just sexual therapists like a little bit.

SPEAKER_02: 57:21

I would say that's a wee bit more therapist in it, so if you're gonna go and get a degree in the unit and stuff, I feel like that's hitting on many of the canary like traditional life path for wanting a where better way of putting it.

SPEAKER_01: 57:34

But like fair. Um but yeah, the quote unquote like normal job, like nah mate, no, not traditional, like I'm okay. Yeah, um, I don't know, like nine to five, I love it. I'm I'm a proper like people pleaser, I know. Don't need to say anything, but like I love people, like I I uh I always love saying this because it gives me a wee giggle, but I love leaving people with a smile on their faces. It it makes me happy, yeah. Um so yeah, I I don't think I will ever go back to a traditional job. I don't like the hours, I don't like having a boss. I think the way which I'm doing with this, where I am a landlord and whatnot, so like I have properties and things.

SPEAKER_02: 58:32

I like having like add-ons to what you're I've already built. Yeah, yeah. Like just building up around it and making it more like secure rather than changing jobs.

SPEAKER_01: 58:42

Absolutely. Like I'm thinking of currently going into like breeding my French bulldogs and it's just traditional. This is what I mean. Like I can't do traditional at any fucking sense of the way. I can I can pop out kids and possibly get married, I don't know. Yeah, um, but that's as traditional as I'm getting. Yeah. Like um, I think a mom who's gonna be independent, like when I was younger. The fucking three things which I wanted to do was to get a job, get a house and have kids.

SPEAKER_02: 59:14

Yeah. I feel like this is where like I don't know, but that's why I didn't like that question. Because you can totally have all those things that you've just listed, which to me is a traditional relationship, like dyn dynamic, if you were shading that with another person, but like you can do that and do sex work, like the two are they related to each other.

SPEAKER_01: 59:40

I think this all just comes down to how it's still stigmatized.

SPEAKER_02: 59:43

Totally, like it's just a job, it's just a job.

SPEAKER_01: 59:45

Yeah, you can have a job and do anything, like like it's a job where the other person might feel insecure. I mean, I feel insecure all the time about my body and things like that, but that's just life. But the The partner needs to like not be insecure and realise that it is just the job.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:06

Like I'm not gonna be thinking about another man's cock while growing sex, unless that's your thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:13

But that's not what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:16

No, because you're not wanting to come home and think about work.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:19

Yeah, like exactly and like you're not gonna just fantasize about other people. May maybe like celebrities, but like that's that's all I can think about, is possibly celebrities, but I don't even do that to be fair.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:34

Um, but yeah, no no traditional job or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:41

So no one needs to come and quote unquote save you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:44

No, no.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:45

You're doing fine.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:46

I'm not in the tower. Oh my god, I want to reboot Shrek now. That's all I can think about. The princess being in the tower. Just saying that, mate. Um, I don't need rescue. I really don't. I've had so many men, especially like clients, who were just like, oh, have you never thought about like not doing this settling down or something?

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:12

Watch pretty women one too many times, like your face sees all.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:17

I used to like pretty women, uh pretty woman, and and then I realized that it's just a man it's even a woman that has money, yeah. And it's just like of of course she likes the fucking money. Yeah. And he's kind of a dick to her, and like she stops escorting and stuff, and I'm just like, this used to be a good movie about you know finding the one and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:49

And oh god, it hits different, it hits different with like some knowledge, yeah. When when yeah, she fucking realize and wake up and it's like skip to six months later where she's like back in the same position because like both of them just are incompatible with each other. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:09

Yeah, like he had the charm a wee bit, but like that never lasts though. That's the bit that like that's like you get that for the first six months, and then I've been seeing cute shit over TikTok and everything, and I'm just like I want my man to remember what I wear in the morning and stuff, like how I'm dressed. Because like I I'll I shared it, and like they were on like a honeymoon cruise ship and whatnot, and it was a honeymoon quiz show. It sounds adorable to me.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:37

Was everyone on the cruise on their honeymoon?

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:39

Yeah, yeah, like they were gonna get married on the cruise the next day or something, something like that. But it was a game show of like honeymooners, uh-huh, and the man was getting asked, like, what does the woman's awful? I love it. I need a tension. I need attention right now and like everything, alright? But uh, so just depressing, sorry, but like the man was like, right, this is what she was wearing, down to like the bracelet, the type of shoes when they got married. No, no, this was like a quiz show, right? Sorry, you go, and like they were gonna win something at the end of it, and the guy was asked, What was your missus wearing? Yeah, today. Uh-huh. What is she wearing? And he got everything fucking right. Yeah, like her makeup, her her hair, all of that. And I was like, I want that, I want that. I want a man to actually recognise what I'm wearing, and like the passion in his voice, because he was like, She's hot as fuck, like all that stuff, and I was like, I want that. I don't want to get changed and my my partner to just say I look good, or notice, yeah. Like, I I want to actually be recognized and whatnot. Yeah, but yeah, that was just major fucking cute, and I was like, oh I want that, but with everything combined as well, yeah. So yeah, yeah. Hi there. I feel like this is the sponsor of sponsor Victoria for two pounds a month and keep her keep her on Dayton app subscription, keep going.

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