Speaker 01: 0:00

Hi, um, welcome to Behind the Paddle. I am Porcelain Victoria. And I am Emily Sin. Yeah, and today we are going to speak about the Fendom Ball. Yeah. One of the lovely events which I went to in October. I love the Fendon Ball. I think this was my third time going.

Speaker 02: 0:20

So got either could they make it this time? Next year. Next year. He's definitely on the cards.

Speaker 01: 0:25

You would still look good in a ball gown. And like gothic one. Oh yes. Yeah. It needs to happen next year. But no, yeah. I am going to ask uh no, I'm going to answer questions about the Femme Dom Bowl. Yes.

Speaker 02: 0:43

Yeah, so the first one is what draws you personally to attend a Femme Bomb Bowl event like this?

Speaker 01: 0:53

So the F I'll give a little rundown of what the Femme Dom Bowl is. It is run by Madame Caramel, who is a lovely, lovely person, and she does an amazing job of running it and putting it together. There's oh it's so good. It's a lovely high protocol event and it is done in like a ballroom, like a very, very, very fancy ballroom in London. And I usually go for four or five days in London, and you've got different events with the Femme Dom Ball, which you can like purchase other tickets with. So you've got like the meet and greet, the afternoon tea, and the Femme Dom Bowl itself, and then the after party. And it's very, very high protocol. So the subs have to wear masks for, I believe, the first hour. And then they of the actual bowl. Of the actual ball, sorry, yeah. Um and yeah, it's just very, very high protocol, which I believe it's one of the most high protocol events in the UK that exist. And it is international as well, so many people do fly in and come from afar because I I it it's not that far, but I'm based in Scotland and we go all the way down to London. Yeah. But it's it's really good.

Speaker 02: 2:33

It's a good like five hours on the train, though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, a nice five hours. It's true, like the subs don't get to sit on like the chairs and stuff like that as well. It's quite like Yeah, it's that high protocol.

Speaker 01: 2:43

It is the high protocol of male subs are below females, so it is gendered. So even if you're a female sub, you do get to sit on furniture, but the men will not.

Speaker 02: 2:58

So there's like oh, that's cool that there's like even hierarchy with things. Yes, yeah. Like the actual subs themselves as well.

Speaker 01: 3:04

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 02: 3:05

So just to kind of circle back to the question, like what actually draws you to that event then?

Speaker 01: 3:10

What is it about it that it's very big, it's very glamorous.

Speaker 02: 3:15

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 3:15

I mean, you get to show off and you get a lot of attention, so that's an obvious thing, which I love. Um, you get to meet so many amazing people, yeah. DOMs and subs, and it doesn't necessarily have to be like professionals, it can be lifestylers as well. So you do get to meet people of different like varieties of like why they're there and what they their take on the life of maybe a pro or a lifestyler is, yeah. And it's it's a very good networking event. You get to meet people, you get to meet businesses as well. Uh, because when going there you see business cards, and they do have a raffle, which is a it hooks me all the time.

Speaker 02: 4:08

Yeah, like the sanctuary sponsored the event, and we um had like contributed like a raffle prize and stuff as well, which was really cool.

Speaker 01: 4:15

So yeah, totally it w it was good, it was very, very good. Um yeah, so the people, the atmosphere, the beauty of it, and the activities that do go on at the actual Femdom ball, it's so appealing, and it's like even like the photographers are really good as well, down to the T.

Speaker 02: 4:38

Yeah, it's just a really well-rounded event. Um that kind of leads us on to our next question, which is how you would actually describe like the atmosphere and the energy at this event, like what's the what's the vibe like?

Speaker 01: 4:51

I'd say it's friendly, it is absolutely friendly, and you do get to like I feel like everybody is nervous to an extent about meeting other people because like you'll you'll go and you'll be either a you'll be assigned some table or something, or you get to sit near your friends, something like that. So you will meet new people. It it's good for that, it's good for like a little icebreaker of oh, I'm on this table, you guys, hi, my name is so and so. So you do get to meet people. Um, so yeah, you can be like anxious, nervous, but after a while it becomes so warming and welcoming. Oh, that's lovely, and you can really see like the community and things. Yeah, it's really nice, it is because everybody just relaxes, yeah, and there's such a free flow of conversation, it just does it does set pretty much most people at ease, especially if they're new going. Like I I'm like a bit seasoned now for time going, so I'm used to going up to people now and being like, You're beautiful, like oh there's so many pretty people, it's so nice, hence the nervousness. Yeah, yeah. Women talking to women who are so superior. Women women are scary. Women are scary. I feel like everybody understands that. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 6:43

Cool. So are there any kind of specific rules or protocols you particularly enjoy or find meaningful that you went, you've kind of touched on a couple, but what do they kind of mean to you?

Speaker 01: 6:55

Um what they mean community, really, in in the way of everybody has their like purpose being there.

Speaker 02: 7:08

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 7:08

And they know their role and it's very, very good.

Speaker 02: 7:14

So what do you mean by that? So like because there is such a kind of distinction between subs and DOMs, it kind of creates like a community environment where people are quite free to kind of like they can express their views, express that yeah, and they can just be themselves, which is lovely.

Speaker 01: 7:33

Like there are a few events, sadly.

Speaker 02: 7:37

I don't believe really there's any high protocol events in Scotland, other than um Inverness, the Highlands House, yes, yes, not long started, I think is the more high protocol, but I've not been to know, but I'm going up in February, so I will I will explore and report back. That was the word I was looking for.

Speaker 01: 8:00

But yeah, it it's it's really nice, it does show community and everybody gets on, and you can really see where the subs actually respect DOMs, yeah, and their dominance and everything that comes with it. It's it's really nice.

Speaker 02: 8:19

So when you say high protocol, does that mean it's very like um like female supremacy then? Is that the vibe? Yeah, like it's not just roles and lifestyle, it's very much like people are like this is how the world should exist. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 01: 8:35

Basically, yeah. Yeah. That that men should be below us in a sense and just let the women rule. Yeah. Because let's let's be honest, we we know what's best in in most circumstances. Yeah. I would agree.

Speaker 02: 8:51

I think most people would agree if they think about it for more than like a second. So are single subs allowed to go? I'm sure that was an option on the tickets when I was looking.

Speaker 01: 9:02

Yeah, so single subs are allowed to go. You still have to be very polite, respectful of any dom that you approach or approaches you.

Speaker 02: 9:13

They have to dress quite formal, don't they? Yeah.

Speaker 01: 9:16

So it is black tie for the subs. Yeah, so single males can go. If you are a sissy, then you there there is like you can't wear like the traditional sissy outfits where they're all proper flowy and things. It still needs to be formal and it still needs to look graceful.

Speaker 02: 9:39

Aye, like some it's like it looks like high-t dresses, but like stuff like folk would wear it like the racies rather than it being like more like no costumey, but like yeah.

Speaker 01: 9:48

Yeah. So there is actually a dress code ect etiquette on the Femme Dombo website, which you can look at. Because trust me, when I first want when I first bought my ticket, I was like, oh my god, what do I wear? Will this pass will this and whatnot?

Speaker 02: 10:09

And they're quite clear on their website what they do and don't want there. Yeah. Both mistresses and subs as well.

Speaker 01: 10:16

Yeah, they're very, very clear on that, which is great, which is lovely. They basically they I think they have a QA as well, which answers a lot of things.

Speaker 02: 10:25

Yeah, if in doubt, ask.

Speaker 01: 10:27

So yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 02: 10:29

Totally. Um so you were saying that are subs only allowed to the meet and greet and the actual ball, they're not allowed to the IT. Is that right? It's just mistresses for that one.

Speaker 01: 10:42

Yeah, so this was the first time we did a meet and greet, and from what I saw, it was a success. Yeah, it it was really, really good. So the subs and mistresses were a- okay to go to the meet and greet. Yeah, that really helped nerves of other people, I believe. I take it that was before the ball. Yes, yes. So it was two days before the ball. Yeah. So yeah, it was the meet and greet, and then it was the afternoon tea the next day. And the afternoon tea, only the mistresses, only the dominants can go to the afternoon tea. And again, you get put on a random table, and it's a nice little icebreaker, just like hi, hello. We're strangers to each other, you know. And you get to know the people sitting next to you, and it's it's great. It's such a good way of doing it because it's not a massive table. I would say it's a group of six, maybe yeah, six, seven people.

Speaker 02: 11:45

That's a good number where you can actually still hear and speak to everybody.

Speaker 01: 11:49

Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm deaf as anything, but it's still good. It's it's yeah, it's very good. And like Madame Caramel will go around everybody and make sure like they're o doing okay, they're comfortable, and it it's such a nice, relaxed environment. She's very caring when it comes to how other people are, a very present host, very present, yes, one of the most present hosts I've seen, really. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 12:20

Great. Um so that's kind of answered this question, I think. Because it's like, how how do you think the high T setting in meet and greet influences interaction between DOMs and subs? You've kind of touched on that a wee bit where you're getting a chance to meet people before. Would you say like if the subs that came along to the meet and greet were different than the ones that came to the actual femdom ball? Obviously, you're not gonna know exactly, but was there like more people? Was it like a kind of advertised thing with like people coming in, or was it more just within the people already attending the event?

Speaker 01: 12:58

So I believe it was so there was a mistress that was attending the FemDom ball and her sub wasn't actually going to the ball. Yeah. But she still wanted to introduce her sub to everybody and like the environment and things at the meet and greet. And yeah, he he was fine, he was lovely. Yeah. There were I think there was maybe one more one or two more people who weren't actually going to the actual bowl. Yeah, they were just very curious in what would happen and how are the people.

Speaker 02: 13:38

Yeah. So it was like a good we like a taster almost for people if they were maybe consider going next year to just come along and kind of meet some of the mistresses going and see what the vibe was like.

Speaker 01: 13:48

Absolutely, because we're not not all mistresses are like going to tear your face off or like kick you in a ballot.

Speaker 02: 13:56

There's like a real mixture of different styles.

Speaker 01: 13:58

Absolutely. Yeah. Because I I understand when somebody says hi protocol and and maybe a sub can imagine oh it's really strict and everything like that.

Speaker 02: 14:08

Yes, it is strict, but the rules are strict rather than the people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 01: 14:14

Like like if you step out of line, that's when it becomes like strict and you get told off and things like that. But as long as you follow the rules in any scenario, really, then you're good. Yeah. But yeah, it it was it was it was nice to meet and greet. It was really smart, really, really good move. Um, I hope it continues because it it just made sense. It put more especially subsidies, yeah, I want to say.

Speaker 02: 14:45

Totally. Um especially if they don't like get to go with the high T than like the bit that you're saying about oh, everybody gets in and gets comfortable, like they're not getting that. So their first like like interaction with people is at the ball. Yeah. Yeah. So it's giving them an opportunity to kind of have the same. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 01: 15:03

And I with the ball, when the subs come in, they're standing against the wall. Yeah. Whereas all the other mistresses where whereas all the mistresses are sitting at a table. Yeah. So the subs for a good majority of the time, the entire night really, are standing up and yeah, standing up and being present rather than sitting down. So I understand how it can make you more nervous, especially if you want to approach a mistress and get her a drink or something like that. The meet and greet is really, really good.

Speaker 02: 15:40

Yeah. So how do you prepare for an event like this? Both mentally and in terms of like presentation.

Speaker 01: 15:49

So because I went three times, I'm a lot less nervous, which is great. Um I was nervous when the first and the second time I went to say. But preparing, make sure you've scheduled an Uber. Yeah. Or make sure you've scheduled some type of transport like an hour before the event. Yeah. Get there early because traffic. Because I believe the event opens doors open at six and they close at seven, something like that.

Speaker 02: 16:32

So you've got quite like a short window to get in. Is it quite a busy event? How like that's one thing we've only covered, like what oh gosh.

Speaker 01: 16:40

I would say there's like at least 150 people.

Speaker 02: 16:43

So it's quite big though.

Speaker 01: 16:45

Over a hundred, yeah.

Speaker 02: 16:46

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 16:47

Yeah. Yeah. Like it's it's quite a lot of people. It's worth getting in early. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you've got to think about it's in London as well, so you've got rush hour and things. Yeah. So that always made me panic. Whereas this time I was like, chill. You know what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. It was alright. Make sure like you've got your outfit and everything beforehand as well. Just beyond time, that's the main thing, which I would definitely encourage. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 17:18

How do you like what like how do you kind of pick what you're gonna wear? Like what's the well with this one I picked like a year in advance. Yeah. Because I wouldn't imagine that being to it. Yeah. And because it's so formal and stuff, like it's not like the type of thing you would wear, like other events that like we go to. Yeah.

Speaker 01: 17:40

So I I mean with I I I dress how I dress with like poofy dresses and things like that in general. But this one, because I wore a very big gothic, a little bit frilly, like dress. It was beautiful. Yeah. And thankfully I've worn it previously to a few things. So I'm getting my use out of it. Yeah. Uh uh, but that's that's because we went to like a fashion show.

Speaker 02: 18:10

Um that was another bowl, so exactly. Very, very lucky. But as we'll do a shout out, the goth ball in Glasgow for Kennedy design, which was fucking awesome. Yes. I don't wait for the next one.

Speaker 01: 18:24

I really want to go to the next one. It was really, really good. Oh, it was really good. It was so many beautiful designs. The place where it was actually the location.

Speaker 02: 18:36

Yeah, looking jacks in Glasgow. It's like an old church that's been converted into like a gig venue. It's stunning. Beautiful. Still has all the stained glass and overhead. It was so nice. Yeah.

Speaker 01: 18:47

Like I think we talked about like people getting married there or something. Yeah, yeah, it's a wedding venue as well. So beautiful, so good, so perfect in every little way. Um yeah, what was the point? Oh yeah, wearing it. Yeah. Yeah. I actually wore my the thing which I was meant to wear to the ball, which I bought in year advance. I actually wore to the afternoon tea instead because I was like, no, it's not as like flowy and like big enough because I need that attention, you know? Yeah. So I actually swapped what I was gonna wear. But yeah, I was a bit nervous that it looked maybe a little bit too sissy in a way, with like how it wasn't that um like it was more flowy and less like I don't want to say elegant because it's still elegant, but like it was flowy.

Speaker 02: 19:42

Sometimes elegance equates to like kind of sleekness.

Speaker 01: 19:46

And I don't know if I would say it was sleek, like no, because like when I think elegant, I do think about like uh not cocktail dresses, but long like long and tight dresses, yes, long and tight dresses and like with sparkles and all that stuff. Like that's nice, but it's kind of just boring too much, and it's not you, that's the thing. Exactly. Like the Femme Dumble before I wore a latex uh skin tight dress. Yeah, that was that was good, that was nice. Um, and the one before that I wore just a red skin tight dress. So I went I've gone through a range of them. I might do leather next year, but I'm very particular of my leather.

Speaker 02: 20:27

I love leather, it's so expensive.

Speaker 01: 20:30

Never had a like so expensive. It just needs to like have that flattering look where I don't look that uh what's the word? Corporal punishment. Yeah, like I know what you mean. I like it to be girly in a way and like flowy and stuff, and leather leather and sort of latex don't really have that.

Speaker 02: 20:54

Unless you bought it, then it does.

Speaker 01: 20:56

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 20:57

Yeah. You've had to go hunting for that though. Well yeah, it's so custom most of it, isn't it?

Speaker 01: 21:02

I was about to say, yeah, yeah, because my uh Hamad Tata themed latex outfit with a bloody lovely attachable skirt is by Aimless Gallery, and they're really awesome, really, really good. I love it, and that was custom made. Yeah, because I'm just very fussy, and like I have a particular design that I want it made.

Speaker 02: 21:25

And you're supporting like small businesses as well, which is great. Exactly.

Speaker 01: 21:29

That's what I'm trying to do more often. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's lovely.

Speaker 02: 21:36

So this is kinda again, we've kind of jumped the gun a wee bit, but I think how important is it for a Dom to embody elegance both in appearance and behaviour at a high protocol event?

Speaker 01: 21:51

I mean, you you be who you are, yeah, but also remember like who's around you. Yeah, like follow the rules. Yeah, follow the rules, don't get too drunk. There is alcohol, but don't get too drunk or anything like that. Uh stay respectful, obviously. Yeah. Don't be too loud.

Speaker 02: 22:14

Like be yourself but respect the vibe.

Speaker 01: 22:16

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Don't yeah, just don't be rude in the way of like pointing and shouting and talking over people, especially when like somebody's talking. Like, listen. Do you skip dinner? No, no, no. It's just sitting. Sorry, we get little nibbles. Yeah. We get little nibbles, so like little things. Like canopies and stuff. That's the word, yes, we get canopies. Uh it's af at the after party you usually get food. Cool. Cool. Yeah, yeah. That's one thing we haven't really spoken about, but we can aye. Yeah. Yeah. The after party, the three times which I've gone has been at different locations. So I can't say what exactly is gonna be for next year. Yeah. But it's always had BDSM equipment.

Speaker 02: 23:08

Yeah. And oh, so it's like an actual like play event after party then. Ah nice, nice.

Speaker 01: 23:14

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You can't show like your your boobies or like genitals and things like no penetration.

Speaker 02: 23:21

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 23:21

But it's it's nice, it's good, it's lovely somehow. Like I I I made this statement uh w when I was at the ball, like somehow I ended up with a sub, and I never went with a sub. And by the end of the night in the after party, I had a sub. And I was like, How? How does this work? Like magically appeared. I was just like, what the fuck? But yeah, the after party's alright, it's not too bad.

Speaker 02: 23:46

Yeah. So in terms of like what's the question? Embodying elegance. So you find that like, although the event's elegant, it's still people being themselves for the most part. Yeah. Sticking to the dress code, but there is wiggle room in that to still be like dress for yourself.

Speaker 01: 24:07

Yourself, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I feel like that's what Madame Caramel would insist on as well, is dress what you feel comfortable in. Yeah. And still respect the rules, yeah. But do it your way. Do it your way, totally. Yeah. Um, yeah, like you can wear leather, latex, and a ball a literal ball gown. Yeah. And you can show a wee bit of skin, but again, go back to the clothing etiquette. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 24:38

It's very clear on the website what they're wanting and not wanting. Yeah. Um, which we'll link in in the description as well. Um, so what do you find most rewarding about participating in this event?

Speaker 01: 24:55

Aside from the raffle.

Speaker 02: 24:57

I mean, everybody loves a raffle. They're everywhere. Every event you go to has a raffle because everybody loves this. So good, especially in England.

Speaker 01: 25:05

Yeah. Um rewarding. I would say meeting other people. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 25:09

Because it's lovely, it really connections that you're making with people.

Speaker 01: 25:12

Yeah, and like you you do make connections with the subs as well. Yeah. Absolutely. It's it's the whole like not not to say like big on it, but it's the whole like sisterhood, if that makes any sense. Absolutely. Where we try and look after each other, even though it might not go to plan, and there will be people who don't like people there and things like that. That's normal.

Speaker 02: 25:37

That's just that's just any industry. Exactly.

Speaker 01: 25:40

Yeah. But we we try and be there for each other and things, and like give each other a follow and tell each other like um where we know each other from. And there's a lot of compliments, there's a lot of networking, there's a lot of getting to know other people, and it's lovely. Yeah. I like I'm a curious bastard. I I love to know about other people and everything.

Speaker 02: 26:05

Curious, that's the nice word for it.

Speaker 01: 26:10

No, there was somebody actually I follow on Twitter, and I was just like, even though I've been doing this for like seven years, and this is the third femdom ball, I I still get like, oh my god, this is the person. Like when I show you them on my food. I'm not joining the club. Oh my god, oh my god, they're like, Oh, I was like, I've seen you online, I've seen you online. Yeah, they were just like thank you, and I was like, bye. Like they were, oh my god, like I only get like that with a few type of people, yeah, and I'll bring up who else I got like that with in the past, yeah, later on, but like oh just oh my god. I I believe they came from the states as well. Yeah, so I was just like this is a oh, it was so good.

Speaker 02: 27:03

Like you're probably not gonna bump into them like at our local exactly, yeah. Not even in England, yeah.

Speaker 01: 27:08

Like I was just like, you've came down for this event, and I'm just like, hi.

Speaker 02: 27:13

Very much as an international event. Very much.

Speaker 01: 27:16

Like I ended up making friends with um a good a good few of the mistresses from America, they were lovely, absolutely lovely. Um, I believe somebody was some of them like came from Poland, yeah, and New Zealand and Victor that like everywhere. Yeah, it's crazy. It's amazing. It's very much international, and it that there was so much fangirling because you don't get to see other mistresses unless you fly out to see them, yeah. Um or or they come to like certain events, and like this is one of the events where people do come from everywhere to go to it, and it's just like wow, it's awesome, very good, very good.

Speaker 02: 28:04

How do you balance the professional aspects of your role with the personal enjoyment of the event?

Speaker 01: 28:11

So, me, I'm a lifestyler as well as pro, and so the event isn't just for professionals, it is also for lifestylers as well. It's for lifestyle and pro. It you don't need to be anything in in the industry, you can just go as a lifestyle if you enjoy it. Um so really for me it's it's it's quite like easy to do. Yeah, yeah, like I've met some lovely people who are just lifestylers, and oh it is great, it really is great that you meet everybody.

Speaker 02: 29:00

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 29:12

Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really awesome that you get to meet so many people and for me I don't like balance it because that this is just me in general. Yeah, totally. But like I don't know what I don't know how it would actually feel if it was just professional and it wasn't just lifestyle.

Speaker 02: 29:32

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 29:33

I don't even know.

Speaker 02: 29:34

I'd feel more like a work event. I mean it's always fun getting dressed up. Absolutely fun getting dressed up, and like I don't know. I feel like for you guys, like a lot of your work is loan work and it is working on your own. And I think like it must be nice having events like these where it is bringing loads of people together and it's an excuse to like get dressed up and have fun.

Speaker 01: 29:55

Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 02: 29:56

And it's still work, so like you don't feel guilty. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 01: 30:00

Like taking time out of doing work and then going into an environment where you can network and have fun. It doesn't feel as bad as like self-care, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 02: 30:13

That's what I mean. Like it's like guilt-free because like you're like well working, but you're like getting to actually go and like genuinely enjoy yourself on a personal level.

Speaker 01: 30:21

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I was about to say, not that I don't like sessions. I love sessions, but this is like on a more personal level of like I can I it's balance between the two.

Speaker 02: 30:32

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 30:33

Yeah. Yeah, because I'm very much a workaholic. Like if I don't work in a few days, I'm like fucking depressed and everything because I'm just like, I need clients and like I I want uh not necessarily to hit somebody, but I I very much enjoy my work. Yeah. So like yeah, it's very, very fun. And the fact that it's so relaxed as well, and there is no like expectations.

Speaker 02: 30:58

Yeah, like it's high protocol, but no like between you guys as such in terms of like it's still a chill environment. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 01: 31:06

It's not like everybody's like poor, suited and booted and like like they are, but like tight that's I or anything, they're not like snobby, yeah. Yeah, it's not that environment where like people think they're better than each other, yeah. Or like if they do they hide it well, they're popular, yeah. Or it's like I'm more popular, it's coming together and celebrating female dominance, yeah.

Speaker 02: 31:34

It it's very, very yeah. Yeah. That's really nice because I feel like some of the can I higher protocol events I've been to it's felt quite competition-y, like it's felt like people are like really trying to like one up and outdo one another. Absolutely. Um to the point that safety is a bit of a concern. Yeah. So like that sounds like heaven. That sounds nice that like people like it's not just that that breeds in that environment, like it is just different environments where the same people can like just have different vibes.

Speaker 01: 32:07

Like the activities as well. Uh, you would have loved this one. Uh-huh. Um, I do apologize, I do not remember the mistress that did this act. I'm sure it would be on the website, but there was a beautiful Medusa act, and it was all about how uh men are shit basically. No way. Yeah, the whole Medusa story of why have you made me a villain. Yeah. And it was really, really beautiful. It was really nice. And a mistress did that act, and it was it was beautiful. Yeah. And somebody else came out and did what are these? Claws? No. What? With a clarin no, it's not clarinet. No. Oh, um it's Italian. I know what you're talking about. Is it Italian? They know Spanish. Spanish? Yes, Spanish.

Speaker 02: 33:07

I can't remember the name. Like the hand clacker. Yes. For um for one of the actual word for them, but we'll move on. Like what about them? So they did them. Yeah, and a beautiful dance and everything like that.

Speaker 01: 33:21

Like they were clearly a professional. Yeah. There was like entertainment on throughout the day as well. So there was those two acts and there was the raffle as well. Yeah. I think I think that was it. Yes. I do apologize if I've forgotten any of the other activities. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There was a few speeches as well and things like that. Yeah, it was good. It was nice. So how do you think there was a fashion show? There was a beautiful fashion show as well. Which I think we can probably look that up and like leave it in the comments and things. Yeah. Um about who what fashion show exactly that was and what company. But it was very, very beautiful. What type of clothes was it? Oh gosh, all sorts. Latexture, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Very mixture. It was really nice though. Like I looked it and I was like, there was one particular set, it was like a lingerie set, and it was a latex nightgown. Oh, cool. Yeah. And it was really, really beautiful.

Speaker 02: 34:34

Yeah. Really nice. I will have a look for that. So how do you think these types of events contribute to the BDSM and FemDon community as a whole? Which we've kind of spoke about a wee bit, I would say, but rounding up like that.

Speaker 01: 34:49

Yeah, I think overall it it's community. Yeah. And it needs there needs to be more events like this. And I'm that like I think even Madame Caramel would agree, like, there needs to be more events like this. Because there's just not enough of it. You have to go other places outside of the UK.

Speaker 02: 35:10

I would say one problem that you'd face having that in, say, Scotland, for instance, is I just don't think you would get the international clientele. Like London's its own thing.

Speaker 01: 35:21

London London's London.

Speaker 02: 35:23

Everybody knows about London. Like people go to London. I'm not saying people don't come to Scotland, but it's not got the same like it's not got the same vibes. There's not enough people. No. Like I don't know that it like I feel like for a lot of the mistresses, they probably worked while they were over here. You know what I mean? They probably would have been too. Some of them, not them all, but like there's opportunity for that in the way that there isn't the same in Scotland. No to the same extent.

Speaker 01: 35:47

Yeah, because like this is why I haven't done any finite high protocol here, because I don't think it would work. There's no demand for it.

Speaker 02: 35:55

And like as you said, like it doesn't there doesn't seem to be a lot of pro doms in Scotland that go to lifestyle events. Yeah, yeah. Like I don't think I've met any other than you one one other person too-ish. But that's been in the last two months. You know what I mean? That's been it. It's crazy.

Speaker 01: 36:17

Yeah. Like actual events in Scotland with pro mistresses that have a reputation so that I know of them. Yeah. Yeah, no, I don't really think I've seen anybody that I know of who is pro. I've seen pro subs. Yeah. But not pro DOMs.

Speaker 02: 36:37

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 36:38

Which it it it sucks.

Speaker 02: 36:40

It's one of them though, like, is it like a there's none because there's not a space for them. Do you know what I mean? Like if like it's it's one of these like catch 22 situations where you would think you would still see them at lifestyle events fair. But maybe people are not advertising themselves as that. Maybe we have met them and we just don't know.

Speaker 01: 36:59

But it could be that also feeling guilty that they're taking time out of work.

Speaker 02: 37:04

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 37:05

Because I I I understand that definitely. Uh especially if they don't have a sub to go with. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 37:16

Yeah. I think it's definitely something that would be worth exploring in the future. But like We need a lot behind us. Yeah.

Speaker 01: 37:27

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 37:27

Any more questions? Cool. Uh there's two left. So for those who may feel intimidated, what advice would you offer for navigating this event?

Speaker 01: 37:35

Uh if they go to the if they do the meet and greet again, absolutely go to that if you can. And that's two days before the event. Yes, yes. I would say you feel feel nervous. That's absolutely cool. You don't also you don't have to drink. You can drink water and things like that. Yeah. Um I don't know what really advice I would give apart from just try not to be nervous. Like age-old good advice. Yeah, that's like like there's nothing really that I think would help in the way of maybe going up to a mistress, but even then that's like hard and nerve-wracking. So whatever I suggest, it could be it could make somebody nervous. Yeah. So I would definitely say go to the meet and greet, possibly go up to a mistress, offer her a drink.

Speaker 02: 38:31

And if you're a mistress, go to the high tea because it's a good wee and absolutely, yes.

Speaker 01: 38:36

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 38:36

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 38:36

Go to the meet and greet, go to the afternoon tea. It is worth it. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 38:41

It's set up in such a way that there are like things to make you necess less nervous on the run up to the main event, which is excellent. Like things should be like set out that way. It makes a difference. It's it's so good. Plus, if it's like a one once a year big deal, it's nice because then you get three daisy things and it's not all like oh you blink and it's done. Yep, yep. Especially if you've been preparing for it for a year and a half.

Speaker 01: 39:05

Yeah. I I I love it. It it's really fun, and it's one of the only events which I will continuously go to. Yeah. Unless it dramatically changes. Yeah. Unless Madame Caramel goes, No, we're not we're we're gonna she's gonna like give it to somebody else or whatnot. I will most likely carry on going. Because it's just that good. Yeah, I'm like, you need to go to it. Yeah, we need to figure that out because it's it's such a good event.

Speaker 02: 39:33

It really is. Um so last question are there any elements you would like to see introduced or evolved at future events?

Speaker 01: 39:46

Um like we did touch on like having more high protocol events, but I don't know if that's possible.

Speaker 02: 39:55

So this is for this event. So, like, what do you think there's anything that is great that needs to stay the same, or you would like to see maybe change or new stuff added in it? Like, is there any like you've kind of said about the meet and greet, like that went really well, and that should kind of continue going forward.

Speaker 01: 40:14

Yeah, the meet and greet definitely needs to go forward. I think the there was one thing which really annoyed me, and I know it definitely annoyed other people, which was just there was when we were doing the raffle, it wasn't loud enough, and there were people in the back, sadly, other mistresses, which were actually being very loud, and it was very disruptive and very rude. So I would say more stricter when it comes to that, yeah, because that my blood was boiling, yeah, and I really wanted to say something, but it's not my event and whatnot. Like I wanted to yell at them, so I would say that needs to tighten up because that was just downright disrespectful of the people who were in that back table and they know who they were. Um honestly that was the only thing which it kind of made me go like not like was the only bad thing, but like it wasn't bad, it was more just annoying.

Speaker 02: 41:24

Yeah, like it was a shame that people weren't expecting the event than Madame Caramel, yeah.

Speaker 01: 41:29

Um honestly, like the entertainment's great, the food's pretty posh, pretty top-notch. Yeah, um they do I think they did do dietary requirements and things, they absolutely did at the afternoon tea, yeah. Um it was great because the afternoon tea, we all had like an after party after the afternoon tea because we all went out for steak. Oh no, it was so great. So like there's there's even time after that to get to know other people as well. Um but yeah, I don't honestly think there was anything I would improve. Maybe when it comes to the raffle, it would be to say who the item is from, who the prize is from, because there wasn't a lot of that unless the name was written on it. Yeah. So I would definitely say that, but that's really it. That's like it's so hard to think about what could be improved or what would could be made different, but it was it was really good. I was really, really happy. It's why I've been going back. Totally, totally. Um and I know Madame Caramel is very much open to advice and criticism and all that stuff, which which is awesome, very good.

Speaker 02: 43:05

Yeah, which is what makes events good, you know, is when people actually go like they make it for the people that are attending. Yeah. Because that's who it should be for. To to an extent, like it's fine to have like overarching things that you're like staying firm on, but like if people aren't enjoying that, that's maybe something that needs looked at. Yeah. But that's not the case with this, so exactly.

Speaker 01: 43:28

Um yeah, it even the dress code, like you would you would expect somebody not to dress uh correctly, like maybe just one person, and it was all great. Oh no, it was really, really good. Yeah. Uh speaking about the dress code, Mistress Tess was at the door. Oh nice, and she was doing the dress code and she was advertising her event, which I believe you went to. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 02: 44:01

Yes, that was awesome. I know, I was meant to go.

Speaker 01: 44:05

Yeah, I'm still sour about that.

Speaker 02: 44:07

Yeah, I'm still raging about that. Not at you, but like the people that let you down.

Speaker 01: 44:12

I know it's just you not only had the right subs these days. Kind of stuff these days. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 44:20

But yeah, I was meant to go, but you went. Yeah, so we went down, uh we actually booked a room and stayed overnight, so we got like the full, the full experience.

Speaker 01: 44:30

What exactly like was this? You booked a room.

Speaker 02: 44:32

So we booked a room on earth. Yeah, so we stayed so the event is in the Vanilla Alternative, which is in Sunday just off the A1. Um, and we booked a room, so it's like a hotel that's been converted into a swingers venue. Nice sex club. Both? Yeah, both. Yeah. They're all somewhere in the room. Holy above. All of the above. Um so we actually got to stay there overnight and see the lovely rooms, they're beautiful as well. And um we were at a couple of markets that weekend, so I had messaged Mistress S to ask if it would be cool for us to have a stall when we were there, just because we had all our stuff with us anyway. Yeah, it just lined up, which was our lovely a thousand-mile trip across England that we had that weekend, but her event was our first stop. Um, and oh, it was just amazing. We had such a blast, just such a nice energy there. Like, we went to the first one, so this was our second ever one. Uh-huh. Um, and we loved it so much we wanted to go back, and it just was perfect because it tied in with plans we already had, but we would have been gone regardless, so it was great. Um absolute highlight of the night was definitely seeing a 72-year-old sub getting kicked in the balls for like 45 minutes, and I'm just like it was so bratty, it was great. It was just had this cheeky wee smile like the full time. It got to the point I feel so bad because I've forgotten the mistress's name, that had actually bought him. There was like a sleeve auction, so she had bought him in the sleeve auction and had strung them up on us at Andrews Cross, it was like directly across from where our stall was, so we got the full shot and she got tired. She got she actually got tired and had to like get another mistress to tag in, and she went ham. Like she was fresh, she was ready to go, and she was like, Let's do this, let's do this. Yeah, she took a run and jump to like kick this guy, and he was just like on his shoulder. Man knew what he liked, and he got it all night. That's awesome. Um, like after we'd came home, like I had gone and followed a couple of the mistresses on Twitter. This is why it's terrible. I don't know her name because I'll follow her, but she had posted a video, they had like a screen with a vanilla alternative that they were like taking pictures in front of. Yeah, so they had the screen, and I seen a video on Twitter where she continued to kick them in the balls for like another five minutes until they videoed it. Um other highlight was the music, the music was banging. It was another mistress. Again, I'm so terrible at names, I feel so bad I should have gone and got this before. But um Katrina? I believe so, yeah. So she did a full DJ set the full night, and it was like amazing. Like we we like got to just sit and like dance and listen to June's all night. It's such a different vibe when it's good music. Yeah, it makes such a difference, and she's just amazing. And again, on Twitter, she afterwards turns out she was like standing on a sub, like standing on his face and like popping away like the full like most of the night. Which is great. Um I was so jealous, yeah. Like definitely come to the next one because I need to. It's just such a good like balance I find of like leaving people to their own devices, but having like a couple of things going on people can go and watch, and then having like scheduled entertainment, like there's quite like a good like rundown across the night of like different things, um, which I find's just good because it's no like oh you're standing like watching one thing after another all night, but there's still like different activities and things going on, and yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 01: 48:10

I'm very, very jealous. It sounds freaking amazing. It sounds like one of the one of the best events of the year. It really does. I'm very, very jealous I missed out on.

Speaker 02: 48:23

I think the next one's gonna be like February time. Uh huh. So I definitely be gone done. I definitely need to go. Like she said that we can continue to have our stroll there, which is excellent. Yeah, I'll see where we've got a ride there. I'll see where it. But I think if you're coming as well, it's good because it means like we can leave Jason with a stall. I mean you can just go just buy it and go. Yeah, we can go dance, which will be great. So yeah.

Speaker 01: 48:47

But I would stay in the rooms again because the rooms are nice, and we had like we could literally just like go outside and go through a door, and that was us like in for the night, which was That's great because I will admit, like, we're with some uh swinger clubs, uh properties, it sometimes their rooms aren't like up to par, like staying rooms.

Speaker 02: 49:06

I was like not worried, but I just I've never done it before. And they were actually beautiful, they were really nicely decorated and like yeah, it was definitely worth knit trip afterwards to go anywhere to go and stay. Easily the nicest place we stayed all weekends because like yeah, yeah, but yeah, no, this this has been great, it's been lovely.

Speaker 01: 49:31

Yeah, I'm very jealous now. We've left on a jealous note.

Speaker 02: 49:35

Jealous that I didn't get to go to the Femme Dumble, so it's fine. We'll just go to both next year. Oh absolutely.

Speaker 01: 49:42

Right. So yeah, this has been behind the paddle. I think that's it. Do we need to talk about anything else?

Speaker 02: 49:48

Yeah, the only thing is um uncensored markets coming up on the 15th of December. There's still workshop tickets left, so grab those before they're gone because we have very limited spaces for that. Um as always, we've got a little discount code for you guys for thesanctuaryofsin.com, which will be 10% off at checkout if you use the code behind the paddle. But other than that, I think that is us. Thank you so much for listening, guys. See you later. Bye.