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Behind the Paddle
E23: Plugged In: Tech, Kink, and the Future of Intimacy Part 1
In this two-part episode of Behind the Paddle, host Porcelain Victoria delves into the ever-evolving intersection of technology, kink, sex, and sex work. From virtual fantasies to high-tech hardware, she unpacks how innovation is reshaping our most intimate experiences.
The journey begins in digital spaces exploring the rise of hentai VTubers, AI Dommes, and the seductive companionship of chatbots like Replika. She also ventures into Second Life’s infamous Slave Island, where virtual power exchange carries real emotional weight.
Then, attention turns to the tactile: Lovense toys, remote-controlled chastity devices, camming enhancements, and even gaming-integrated butt plugs. Along the way, Victoria confronts the ethics and implications of emerging trends like sex doll brothels, questioning what connection, consent, and pleasure look like in a tech-driven world.
This isn’t the future of sex it’s the now.
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Hi, and welcome to Behind the Paddle Podcast. I am Porcelain Victoria.
Speaker 02:And I am Emily Sinn.
Speaker 01:Yeah. And today we are going to talk about technology, kink, and sex work. Yeah. Yeah. In some order. Yeah.
Speaker 02:Um there's just been lots of advancements, especially in the last few years, in the world of technology that's advancing like kink sex and just sex in general as well as sex work, and I thought it would be a good one.
Speaker 01:Yeah. They're all like a combined somehow or weave in and out somehow, which is very interesting.
Speaker 02:I feel like this comes back to the whole like Trinity thing, where like it is such geeky people that are in the kink world that it makes total sense that like technology has has got an arm, has got a branch in the kink world.
Speaker 01:So yeah, so we did a previous episode, the Trinity of Kink world. Holy Trinity of Kink, yeah. Holy Trinity of Kink, part one and part two.
Speaker 02:Yeah. We do like to talk behind the battle.
Speaker 01:Yeah, we we do go uh do like a a good uh Natter. Yeah. But yeah, what is the first topic?
Speaker 02:Cool. So I thought we should start with where we just got sidetracked for an hour and a half looking at.
Speaker 01:Oh yes, we got sidetracked. Uh we paid for some subscriptions, we did uh research. Yep, we'll call it research, that'll it so sad we masturbated together or something. No, just watch porn, thank you.
Speaker 02:So we went and kind of explored the world of VTubers, which has been a relatively new thing for me. Like I've never really came across it before until um a couple of people bought from my shop and I kinda discovered it by accident just having a nose because I like to see who's buying from my shop.
Speaker 01:Um in the good way possible, like when the um say like thrown and things.
Speaker 02:Yeah, like it gets shared automatically to X if people buy through people's wish lists, so like I'm able to see through that. I'm not like looking at the addresses and things. No, no, that's yeah, I realize how that sounded. No, this is like people choosing to put stuff on social media and me just happening to come across it and be like, oh, what's going on?
Speaker 01:So yeah, yeah, that this I mean I've I feel like anybody and everybody who has watched uh well listened to our podcasts has most likely watched porn before. Yeah, I didn't really realise that like I know of Second Life, which is another like virtual reality. I know people like have avatars there or seen that porn. And I know like Cartoon Porn and Hentai and things, but I didn't realise that with VTubers they were creating their own porn.
Speaker 02:There's like an actual like platform for it almost, like yeah, um just to kind of roughly explain what it is for what we've seen, anyway. Or let's be honest, very limited hour and a half long knowledge of this. Um from what we've seen, the creators that we looked at are Kmon, but they're common with an animated avatar as opposed to it being their in real life person, they're looking at creating a persona and customising their avatar to match said persona. Um but doing Kamen regularly, as far as I could see, we're using like love-ins and tips and just what you would usually expect from like a Kmon feed.
Speaker 01:Yeah, but instead it's animated, it's anime type and like cartoonish and things, and it's very, very interesting.
Speaker 02:Yeah, definitely it it feels a bit like we're living in the future.
Speaker 01:Like we there's also sex stalls and things like that. Totally.
Speaker 02:This feels like a weird in-between though, like it feels like a step towards that, but still with that in real life, like, because it's still the person speaking and everything else that comes along the camera.
Speaker 01:Like we even saw um like at one in one video there was somebody giving a blowjob to other like VTubers.
Speaker 02:I like there were five of them, and uh what we can only assume wearing like hat tick suits so that like it's tracking their movements and stuff, but not on the penis as far as we could see because it was having it was very independently moving separate to what was going on, which it's like a wiggly fish. If anybody's ever had a shot of VR, very much it goes in line with that. Like some things just have a mind of their own in VR, and it was quite comical to be honest, watching.
Speaker 01:Yeah, it was very interesting because it was just like, oh, is she doing this in real life or is she just acting it out? Is it like a when you watch hentai and there's like a voiceover? Yeah, like is she doing that? But then you've got the movement as well.
Speaker 02:So the movement feels very like it's not like human like and like hentai, it's quite like rhythmic. Like you can tell they've like made one animation and then they've just kind of repeated it like this. It was very like people like movements.
Speaker 01:It was very free in the way of like movement and stuff.
Speaker 02:Yeah.
Speaker 01:And I was just like, wow, this is so interesting.
Speaker 02:I just feel like I've uncovered like a full new world, exactly.
Speaker 01:At least I I'm I'm I'm just like, how do I get into this?
Speaker 02:Pure googling haptic suits on it, then it's great. I want one for gaming anyway. So, like, I don't know, at least at least then it's like a work expense.
Speaker 01:So we're now gonna do a fundraiser. Oh my god, could you imagine us doing the podcast?
Speaker 02:So cool. Oh my god. I feel like we need to at least do one episode of this.
Speaker 01:Because all I can think about is us doing the episode and then it turned into porn. I just don't know how to see you do that.
Speaker 02:A big man comes in.
Speaker 01:I'm just not like a cock watching!
Speaker 02:Oh, there's an interesting one. I wonder if because we we obviously deep dive this. We were in the older software, we were looking at like custom fucking avatars on Etsy. It was great. We have wasted so much time today, but it's fine. Um wasted. Oh no, sorry, sorry. It's the future. We have to look into the future of the podcast. Um I wonder if there's like an ER version, you know, where you could like put your avatar like in your living room, like your Pokemon Go style. Oh my god. That would be hilarious. Like we could do it so that we're actually sitting on the couches. Like in here. Do you know what I mean? I feel like that can happen. That'd be so good. How you need to because uh is there I've seen a few like like people playing like Oculus Rift and playing it like in their live like in their house and they have to like optic map? I could be wrong if that's the wrong word, but like where the game knows where like your couches, for example, like we'd need to do that instead of them like you're floating above the couch or whatever. Do you know what I mean? No, they don't sit on the shelves in the wall.
Speaker 01:Oh, that'd be so cool. Having like an avatar sub, like put my feet up on them and stuff.
Speaker 02:There's so much for this, it's so advanced.
Speaker 01:And like again, it's good with like long distance and things, and sex workers use that. Yes, you are if you are a porn VTuber, you're a sex worker.
Speaker 02:Like, but I feel like it's nice, especially like I don't know, with how like no sketchy it is that's the wrong word, but you know what I mean. There's a lot of stigma attached to sex work, yeah, and this gives people a way of doing it where they're behind where they're anonymous. Yes, yes, which is so nice in this day and age, you know.
Speaker 01:So yeah, oh this it's it's so good.
Speaker 02:The hyper focus is kicking in. I can feel it, I can feel it is growing. I'm like, no.
Speaker 01:I've just paid off some of my credit card, mate. I can do this.
Speaker 02:I can do we're just gonna speak about this for the full podcast, just plan it all out.
Speaker 01:See, if anybody would like to donate to our new cause, what ears are you gonna wear? Oh my god, there's so many choose from. Just imagine the hair.
Speaker 02:It's gonna take me like three months, genuinely, just to like create an avatar. Like it's like Baldur's Gate all over again. The amount of times I've restarted Baldur's Gate. Oh my god. Because I ended up just I was like, do you know what? I've made my piece, I'm not gonna play Baldur's Gate. I'm just gonna make characters. I like the fucking Sims, yeah. I just don't like the Sims now. I go on, I make a character, I make them all pretty, and then I put it off, and it's great. Well, it's just like the best dress-up game ever.
Speaker 01:At least you actually have your characters, I'm gonna have to start again. Why? Oh, because you oh it's not I don't have a PC. And I did it on somebody else's Steam account, so yeah, it was like the deluxe version as well, so like the soundtrack or something and things.
Speaker 02:Yeah. But that's fine. It just means we can all start one like together. Yeah. When they get a PC. When see when it came out? Dirty actually. We were spot. So like I genuinely I put like 120 hours in in the first week. It was disgusting. Like, I don't we barely slept. Like, all we did was play Baldur's game and just lie on the couch. It was so bad. Might not have been 120 hours, that may have been over two weeks, but that was like a full-time job playing Baldur's Gate.
Speaker 01:Full-time job, yeah.
Speaker 02:We had three different campaigns on the course game.
Speaker 01:See, this is where I could come into with um sex work because I could just be like, subs, wanna play Baldur's Gate with me.
Speaker 02:See, so I know this is skipping a bit, but you were talking about the butt butt plug gaming thing.
Speaker 01:Yes, yes.
Speaker 02:Is Baldur's Gate an option?
Speaker 01:Oh my god, I'm sure some do you want to do it?
Speaker 02:During the sex scenes.
Speaker 01:Who did you romance?
Speaker 02:All of them. My first one was fucking Mintaro. Straight to evil place, right? Had to be done. She hot. She's scary.
Speaker 01:You guys need to look who these characters are.
Speaker 02:Like who was your first one?
Speaker 01:Um, I what I can't remember her name now. The I guess Yankee Lusse. No.
Speaker 02:No, no. Or um Shadow Heart. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Fair. Fair.
Speaker 01:And I was like, I could do Astarian, but I don't need that drama. Like, like I can just read a porno, it'll be fine.
Speaker 02:I feel like he is like every porno character. At least in like erotica. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 01:He's so mean, but it's like okay. Yep. That's fine.
Speaker 02:That's why it's fun.
Speaker 01:Um, but yeah, so going into the butt plug. I have my lovely laptop here because my memory's shite. Um, yeah, going into this lovely butt plug. So I've tried to figure out lovely butt plug. Lovely butt plug. So I've tried to figure out so it's just a it's literally called butt plug.io. Yep. Butt plug is an open source standards and software project for controlling intimate hardware, including sex toys, fucking machines, and more. Yeah. Um so I do believe you need like your own Bluetooth.
Speaker 02:I think Love Ends or one of other ones. I feel like that's like the most well-known one. If if anybody's not heard of this before, basically there's toys that can connect to the internet through Bluetooth?
Speaker 01:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 02:Um through like an app on your phone. Um and it can connect to anybody in the world and they can control it. So like remote control toys, which people may or may not be familiar with, but on like a global scale. Yeah. Um, and there's all different toys and fuck machines, and literally any toy that you can imagine that has a set of the ability to do that, yeah.
Speaker 01:So the key features are implemented in Rust within bindings for C hash, jx, and other languages. I must also state that we do not know how to code or anything like that. So we are giving the perspective from like the outside view of like, wow, this is like crazy what technology can do these days and things.
Speaker 02:I like I think this is just like a way of so see you had a Lovin's butt plug, but you had like another branded dildo. This is a way like like Google homing it basically. Yeah, like bringing them all together and being able to control them under one thing and getting them to interact with each other in ways that maybe the original app isn't designed to do.
Speaker 01:Yeah, yeah. So yeah, support for popular hardware brands such as Lovence Kiru, the Handy We Vibe, and The Handy We Vibe. The Handy Comma We Vibe. Ah, okay.
Speaker 02:I was like, was that a Scottish vibrator company? I got a big side there.
Speaker 01:That sounds adorable though. That sounds really good. Used by manufacturers like Moose Tech, MazTech, for the edgeomatic orgasm denial system. Ah, is that the one that we were talking about? Um zapping the balls. So zapping the balls.
Speaker 02:I remember we were talking like um this was ages ago, and we were talking about like technological like toys like this, and there was a system where it basically like monitored your heart rate or whatever. It basically could tell when you were about to orgasm and it would like zap your balls to stop it. So it was like an edging machine that was like built in basically.
Speaker 01:Yeah, so I'm looking on their website now, and yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, they zap you. Yeah. Uh they do a bunch of other stuff as well, like any other store.
Speaker 02:I love how people's minds work. It's great.
Speaker 01:It's wonderful.
Speaker 02:If you can think it someone else has already made it a thing, it's great.
Speaker 01:So fancy DIY, soldiering and education kits, and cosplay electric kits. That's just a question mark. I don't understand why. Throw in some custom tailoring and prop work, and that's the moose maz tech?
Speaker 02:So that's so mostly what they do is like cosplay stuff, but they also make an edging machine.
Speaker 01:Yeah, basically.
Speaker 02:But it's like kits that you can build stuff yourself with.
Speaker 01:Yeah. So sex tech. Oh, it's it's quite expensive. It's 400 pounds.
Speaker 02:Yeah. Um and you've got to build it yourself. It's pure sex to IKEA.
Speaker 01:Yeah, Edramatic is a smarter orgasm denial device um for men and women. Ah, interesting. That uses a hollow inflatable butt plug to protect to detect orgasms via muscle contractions in the area. As the user approaches orgasm, these involuntary contractions are recorded and measured to estimate arousal levels and control external uh stimuli.
Speaker 02:Ah, so it doesn't zap you. So this is this would be like you put this up your ass. You connect it in with this butt plug.io with like another like a flashlight or a vibrator or something else, and basically when it detects your bit to orgasm, it'll cut it off.
Speaker 01:Yeah?
Speaker 02:Yeah. That's so cool. I love how like modular this is. It's great. You could build in like so much different stuff.
Speaker 01:So I don't think you have to build this one actually. Is that the one that's 400 quids? Yes.
Speaker 02:Yeah.
Speaker 01:Um, currently sold out. But you can buy like accessories with it.
Speaker 02:And the great thing about all these toys is like a lot of people do like long-distance relationships and kink.
Speaker 01:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 02:And all this stuff is perfect for that because it's a way of people like sexually playing with each other from a distance.
Speaker 01:Yeah. Like you want to do it while I'm in the store? Go for it. Trying to buy my groceries, that's fine.
Speaker 02:Or just in the house, really.
Speaker 01:Oh no, I've think of public. That's like more exciting than just sitting down and watching a family guy or something.
Speaker 02:Totally. I'm just thinking, like, I don't know, if it was like you and your partner like video calling or something. Do you know what I mean? Then you could still have like that. Oh, that's cute. Yeah.
Speaker 01:That's really cute.
Speaker 02:Because I'm sure I'd seen as well, like Love Ends do like I don't want to say his and hers, but you know what I mean, like matching Fleshlight and Dildo that like link up together and like do the movements from either side so that people can like virtually have like P and V or like P and E.
Speaker 01:Like That sounds very like it should happen.
Speaker 02:I'm sure that's a thing. I'm sure I've seen about it before, because I'm sure there was something like the first time it happened was at some porn convention. Like they should they're showcasing it.
Speaker 01:Oh, that's how it should be. Absolutely showcased.
Speaker 02:Um it might not be Love Inns. Maybe it's another brand, like one of the other ones you'd mentioned. But it's definitely a thing because I remember there being like a big no controversy about it, but see when like OnlyFans and stuff were becoming and like Kamen was kind of coming into the like mainstream and people were discussing whether or not having like um like sending a fan this fleshlight was sex work because like you're in a way like physically having sex, like obviously it is sex work anyway, but for the people that were like Cammons, no sex work, like it was kind of crossing that line a bit more for them because it was like they were physically having sex even without the person physically being there. Like it was just yeah, another dimension kind of thing being added to it.
Speaker 01:So I don't know exactly what um oh, both sex toys sync and interact with each other. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. So that is their most recent update. Yeah, that's what they do.
Speaker 02:Maybe it was another company and this is like Love Ends is caught up now or something. Because I'd seen about this years ago. Like I remember it.
Speaker 01:Interesting.
Speaker 02:Maybe it was just coming out, maybe they had showcased it as like a prototype or something, and it wasn't their thing yet.
Speaker 01:Maybe, maybe. But no, it's great. Like Love Ends, it's alright. Again, coming into the sex work, a lot of sex workers use it for like webcaming. Yeah. Because it gives them again another level of playing with other people and playing with their audience. And so, for example, I used to do webcam and I actually got gifted the Love Entschuld and the like what one the elk one? Both, both, yeah. Um, and it does you can buy like a blue Bluetooth adapter, which you can put into the PC, which then you can look at the coding and things like that. Um sadly I do not have that, but I don't know how to code anyway. I don't think you need to code for that, by the way.
Speaker 02:It's built into a lot of the websites.
Speaker 01:So if you were to do the butt plug, you I believe would need to go into it.
Speaker 02:I think for that, yeah, because that's a lot more convoluted. Like that's like doing things that the like devices haven't been like designed to do, yeah, yeah. Which is where coding would come in. But Lovin's sell that Bluetooth adapter, like loads of people use it for Cammon, like there are no code in that in. Like it's built into a lot of the Cammon websites.
Speaker 01:Have you tried though? I didn't know what it was for. So I used them above it.
Speaker 02:Oh, fair.
Speaker 01:It just didn't like I don't know what what to actually use it like.
Speaker 02:I think like genuinely a lot of the websites have like like a button you click, like the same as you would for like a webcam, like webcam enabled, you can like enable the Bluetooth adapter.
Speaker 01:When that came out, I was going to like um because I used to use many vids. When once that came out, I actually was exiting webcamming and stuff. So I never properly got to like figure out how that works. Yeah. But that that that sounds correct. Like it was. That's why so many people use it, because it's no it's quite easy to set up to actually put it onto the like the platform. Yeah, the platform, that's it, yeah. But no, I would get people to they would pay and I would, you know, get pleasured by them and things like that. But look Love Ents is really, really good.
Speaker 02:Um It's just an extra level of interaction, isn't it?
Speaker 01:Exactly, yeah. Um I mean the guys got a kick out of it, and so did the girls who used it and things. So yeah, it's really really good. And again, you using it in long distance as well. Totally makes such a difference. Yeah.
Speaker 02:And like even using it with your partner in person can be fun. Like what you're saying with like public play and stuff like that. Like it they can be quite loud, is the only thing.
Speaker 01:Oh, don't because when I went to the Femdom Ball, there was the after party, and of course I obtained a sub somehow. And he had a vibrating cock ring on.
Speaker 02:Yeah.
Speaker 01:With like the little remote. Uh-huh. And we got into the taxi the way back to the dungeon. And as a joke, he was just like, it it was on. Yeah. And he was just like, Oh, my phone's vibrating, can you hear it? I was just like, This is so loud. Yeah. It was so loud. Yeah. That's my problem, which I have with them, is just they're loud.
Speaker 02:Aye. Like it's fine if you're like walking about, but I feel like if you're in a restaurant, especially if it's not that busy and it's quite quiet, you can hear it. Yeah. But I think like, I don't know, I've only used it in public with me like wearing it. I don't know if that's the right word. But um I don't know if it feels louder to you because it's like in you. Oh, you can feel it as well. Like, I don't know if it just like heightens that, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 01:Yeah. But like no, I agree. I mean, in the taxi, I could absolutely hear it.
Speaker 02:You could hear it.
Speaker 01:It was so loud. I was like, why?
Speaker 02:Was it like a good one? It seemed like a good one, yeah. Like it did its job. Was it just like touching like the clothes? Do you know what I mean? Like, because that wouldn't help things, that was like make it louder if it was like resting against like what they were wearing as well.
Speaker 01:True, true. He was wearing clothes when we got into the taxi. So it was resting against clothes. But no, yeah, they are loud. That's the one thing. Cause I feel like the vibrator as well, which I have, the actual like dildo, like you can hear it when it goes round and round.
Speaker 02:Yeah. I imagine that like in Tesco, like those.
Speaker 01:Well, if you could have that dildo, like what do you mean? The I the one I showed you, that's one of the things.
Speaker 02:Oh, to be fair, I was mirroring it would be a bit it would be a bit of a puff.
Speaker 01:Like it's just like a disco. Just spinning on his own head.
Speaker 02:Rotessery chicken.
Speaker 01:Oh man, my rotisseries chicken's tasty.
Speaker 02:You got a rotisserie I can do.
Speaker 01:Oh, it'll be well seasoned though. Yeah. That's the main thing.
Speaker 02:So Botplug.io. Yeah. It could hook up to like games and stuff.
Speaker 01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So from the research, the limited research which I've done, it was created by a lovely fairy.
Speaker 02:Nice. Always. Of course.
Speaker 01:Of course. And they have links to like their Instagram, their Twitter, their Twitch, and things like that. And like their Twitch videos are like a a few hours long. What's their name? Yeah, so their name is QDot. Or at least that's from what I can find. Yeah. Um, and again, they're like on quite a lot of social platforms. But yeah, like it's you can support Bluetooth, USB, HID, and serial control toys. Cross-platform libraries available for desktop, mobile and web. Nice. Open source with a permissive license. So yeah, and again, they they post quite frequently and updates as well. So it's really, really cool.
Speaker 02:So open source means that you can go in and you can actually look at all the code and you can edit it, which means you can change it to suit what you want to do.
Speaker 01:Yeah, because I'm seeing on their Twitter that people are coding it to like certain games and things like that.
Speaker 02:Which is amazing. Someone will definitely have done that to Baldur's game.
Speaker 01:Oh yeah. Looks like you're doing the campaign again.
Speaker 02:I would need to work it out a code first. I mean, I'm sure you can figure that out. With the right motivation, you know.
Speaker 01:So when you click on um one of their links, you get a list of autumn awesome interface projects. And like the table of c contents is like utilities, video sync, audio sync. And then you've got a few game mods, which again, because it's what games is it? So the games that are already on there, Counter Strike. Yeah, of course. Overwatch 2, Risk of Rain 2? I don't know. Don't know that one. Minecraft. Minecraft? Minecraft. Minecraft. To what age? Dirty fucking bastards. Final Fantasy. Yeah. And Terraria?
Speaker 02:Yeah. Yeah. That's kinda similar to Minecraft. Yeah. Um I wonder if this is just so that like it can sync up with like Twitch streams and stuff.
Speaker 01:Oh my god. Like again, that just comes into like sex work.
Speaker 02:Yeah. Well, this is to do with sex. Like, I'd I'm not saying people are only sitting wanking off to Minecraft, but like oh, I don't even want that.
Speaker 01:The new movie's coming out soon. Oh god. Thankfully, I've never played it. I've just seen people like things. Oh, it looks too boring. I'm sorry. I'll play Sims, it's got better graphics. Fair.
Speaker 02:I do enjoy Minecraft. The music makes me sad, and I don't know why. That's my one like takeaway for it. Is that like it makes me feel depressed if I play it for any length of time just because the music puts me on a dower.
Speaker 01:Like the only thing I know really about Minecraft is that they tried to do like a Minecraft con and like it failed. Oh really? Yeah. There's so many people that play it though. Oh, I can't remember why it failed. I just don't think it was good enough. Uh-huh. Like the actual like how they did it and managed it and things. I'm not too sure. But like it just didn't work. And I felt really bad on like the creator and things. Um, and then you have development and libraries, so general development, language libraries, game development, other frameworks and plugins.
Speaker 02:Um so there's quite a lot to kind of go through with then.
Speaker 01:Yeah, and then of course you've got like the Discord and Twitter. I would imagine that would be very interesting.
Speaker 02:A lot of horny people. Yeah, yeah. So you were getting Briefly touched on Second Life, and this is something like I've had spoken about to me a couple of times recently. It's not something I've used, I still don't really totally understand it, but I know that there's like quite a big kink community attached to it.
Speaker 01:Yeah, so I'm sure we're gonna do like a big breakdown about why just my life is how it is in general. But to make it like a bit shorter, just a little bit. I know Second Life from when I was younger, because I joined it at like a great young age because I I just wanted to explore, and it was like it it's like Sims, yeah, but with actual people. Like you had like at my age when I was young, you had like moshy monsters, uh-huh, and like club penguin and stuff like that.
Speaker 02:Yeah, like it was it's like can I no chat rooms but kinda.
Speaker 01:Yeah, because you had like uh the hotel one.
Speaker 02:Yeah. I kinda mind what that is.
Speaker 01:I know the one has been hotel. No, not has been Harabu Hotel, something like that.
Speaker 02:I know the one you're talking about. I'd I never played it. I didn't I don't think I really played. I tried Club Penguin, but I was like, was it? That was just after me. So yeah. Oh I'm an old bitch.
Speaker 01:I love my shoe monsters, it's so cute. But yeah, I found Second Life and I was like, wow, I can actually talk to people and have anonymity. Is that the word? Anon anonymity, yeah, yeah, and be anonymous and people don't know who I am. And I was like, fuck yeah. Yeah. And so I found out shortly that like people would act out like Dom sub relationships. There was a there was a slave island where you would literally.
Speaker 02:I don't mean to laugh. I just no, I was just unexpected. So was this a kids' game? No. No, you had to be 18. Right, cool.
Speaker 01:Whereas like 15-year-old me was just like, yeah, let's do this. So yeah, there was Slave Island. Yeah. So I I already knew about kink and things like that, but this was just such a nice way to like explore it. And I'd say nice, so we'll get there. So yeah, there was Slave Island. Yeah, there was like one specific island where people would go, and it was called Slave Island or like auctional slave island. So you would get um quote unquote captured. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And then you would get take to taken to like the town centre, and then you would get you would get sold. Uh-huh. Like people would actually bid on you with real money, which has been like converted into and like the in-game currency or whatever, yeah, yeah. So yeah, you would get a percentage of that. It was actually quite fair in the way, like, if you sold yourself, can you could you could you unconvert the money back into real life money?
Speaker 02:Yes, you could. So you could actually do the fair.
Speaker 01:So before we get into that, people actually did make a living off of Second Life and actually have real jobs. Yeah. Um so yeah, you would get sold, and then you it was usually you would get sold to a man. It would be the traditional stereotypical female sub Male Dome. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that was great. I fucking loved that because at that time I was all like males and things and all that stuff. Yeah. And so there was that, and then you would explore different types of like BDSM houses and BDSM kinks. And is it all like decorated to this for people like making like the 3D models and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Like there is a Second Life shop where you can go and like buy things with the credits and real money.
Speaker 02:So is the shop fully like BDSM equipment? It can be. Or like there's an option for it. Yep. There's like a Wii like side part to it that's like that. Cool.
Speaker 01:Yeah, it's crazy. And of course, you can um actually create stuff in the world as well. Um because you have to in general if you want to make something. So people can so you can buy houses, you can make houses. So if you wanted like a BDSM dungeon, that's what you can do. Yeah. And like you can type and you can do voice chat as well. They just you can't do webcam. Yeah. Um, like you have a profile bio and like you have a picture and like you can actually put like your real life picture and things like that. Um, and like a description of why you're on there, and like there's so many groups and things. But yeah, so you've got like the BDSM side of it, and then like I realized there was this lifestyle. Of course, it was a it was a bunch of books written by a man um called like the Gorean lifestyle, yeah. Where basically women are like nothing, we're just colours, and depending on what colour we are, that's our job, basically. Yeah, it's lovely. Again, written by a man. Um, so yeah, that was interesting, and again, like you can you can employ a slave, you can pay them and things. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, there's that part where it's long distance sex work, BDSM, and then when you go into other virtual realities in Second Life, I again another venture which I went on was having a fully kitted out avatar. Yeah. Because of course you you start off with a basic one and then you need to like upgrade them for the city.
Speaker 02:You have to pay to yeah.
Speaker 01:Yeah, you can't make those titties jiggle and stuff. Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 02:So is it similar to what we were looking at earlier where like you can like import like animations and stuff?
Speaker 01:You can import animations, like you can yeah, you can import them, you can make them, you can buy them. Yeah. Um different heads, different wigs, yeah, all that stuff, full on. Can you wear a haptic suit in Second Life now?
Speaker 02:Oh, I'm not so sure. That's an interesting because uh I'm thinking what's what's the difference between this and Vblogging? Like what we were talking about at the beginning, in a way, except you're in an open world because.
Speaker 01:Interesting. I don't know. Is it in VR? No, but it could be. That's what I'm thinking. Ooh, this is this is interesting. Let me look up.
Speaker 02:I don't can you though, because it's is it supported? That's what we need to know.
Speaker 01:Oh, okay. You can only do Oculus Rift headset.
Speaker 02:Yeah. So there is VR in it then, but it's not got a haptic suit support, like it doesn't support a haptic suit yet. But it might in the future.
Speaker 01:I mean, if the creators there's so many issues with that though.
Speaker 02:Like, have you seen the thing? Like, there was a woman that wore a haptic suit to play like an online multiplayer game and was actually like sexually assaulted. Oh, I can see. Because people were like touching her body and stuff in the game. Like there's whole like I can tell why there's maybe no ventured into that yet because it is so Oh there would be a lot of that.
Speaker 01:I mean, like there would be a lot of sexual assault, I feel like, in Second Life, because people just don't know boundaries. I mean it's an easy thing.
Speaker 02:It's an easy fix. Because what you do is you can set it so that other people can interact with your character.
Speaker 01:Yeah, yeah. That's good. That's a good way of around it, yeah.
Speaker 02:Yeah. Which hopefully that there's just a setting that's implemented everywhere.
Speaker 01:Hopefully, yeah. Ugh, terrible.
Speaker 02:It's so sad that that's even needs to be thought about, but right, right.
Speaker 01:But this is sadly the world we live in. Yeah. But yeah, back to me being a whore. Um so I found out that people would get paid for phone chat, um, which would be voice chat. People would get paid for texting.
Speaker 02:So is this how you kind of came into sex work then? Was through Second Life.
Speaker 01:Oh my god, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Because I would also have people who would want webcam, like actual Skype calls and things, and they would pay me in like the credits and stuff. Yeah. Um, because obviously at that age I didn't really have a bank account or anything that I could put money in, and my parents would be like, What the fuck is this? Yeah. So it would only just be in-game. Like, I earned a freaking load of money that like I should have pulled out, but like obviously at that age I I wasn't thinking. But like it was a goofy thousand of what I made. And so there was that side of it where it became into reality a wee bit, and it it became like like to me, it was like it was fun, it wasn't a job or anything like that. Um, and then I found out that people would pay for VR sex. Yeah, no, not VR sex, Second Life Sex. Well, I'm sure people pay for VR sex anyway in general.
Speaker 02:Most definitely. We'll come to that later.
Speaker 01:But back in the day there was Second Life Avatar Sex.
Speaker 02:Was this again using animations that people had to pay for?
Speaker 01:Um, yes.
Speaker 02:Like, was this like the base game?
Speaker 01:So I remember it correctly. So yeah, you would get um you would buy objects, so say like a bed, and then you click on the bed, and that had different modes.
Speaker 02:So it was like the Sims?
Speaker 01:Yeah. Yeah. Different options of what to do. So you could get into like the doggy position, missionary. Yeah. And yeah, that's how it would work basically. It would be it would like you click it and it would like automatically start something. Yeah. So yeah. It was very, very interesting in that way. Um and then there was Second Life strippers and pole dancers. And like you would pay to get advertised in the club, and like you would have to pay rent and things. Yeah. So like it's crazy. It made it so real in that way.
Speaker 02:It was literally like a second life.
Speaker 01:Yeah.
Speaker 02:Was that the point in it then? I take it no everybody was using it for sex stuff.
Speaker 01:Not as I don't think.
Speaker 02:People that were just being let a post in it.
Speaker 01:I feel like a lot of things just turn into sex. Yeah. Even if that wasn't their main goal.
Speaker 02:Especially on the internet.
Speaker 01:Yeah. I feel like that's it was one of the ways that I've properly found out about fairies and like pet play um p fasonas. Um, because of course I have a fasona on there. And it was so much fun because then I learned about like breeding kinks and uh all sorts like that. Yeah. And so for me, it was definitely like a way into kink and a way into sex work. Yeah. Which, wow, that's actually crazy to think about. But that was like my first proper like introduction to sex work, looking at it like that. I was like, wow. So yeah, Second Life, like, I'm sure there's other platforms, but that was the main one which I'd known about, and I really enjoyed it as well.
Speaker 02:And it's still going now. Yeah. It's still like that was how I had heard about it. Was like um bumping into someone at an event that was talking about Second Life, and I'm saying about like people like Dan Their Ironing will be in a fuck doll in Second Life, and like Yeah. This is why I wasn't really sure what it was, because I'm just like that. Then I'm just like, cool, that makes sense, I guess.
Speaker 01:Like you can be anything on Second Life, like everything has an avatar. Like, um, I'm pretty sure I was a vampire at one point, and a pup, and like you can be like a child and things, like there's a lot of different avatars you can make up and create and things, yeah. Yeah, it's cute. Right, so this is the end of part one because we're gonna talk and talk and talk and talk. Talk a lot.
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