Speaker 01: 0:00

Hi and welcome to Behind the Powder Podcast with me, Porcelain Victoria, and me, Emily Synth. Yeah, and today we are going to talk about pegging 101 basically. Yeah. So this is gonna be very, very fun because me, I I have quite a bit of experience with this.

Speaker 02: 0:20

I just have a little bit of experience. So I feel like it's we're doing good. We've got the kind of two sides of the coin who like someone who knows what they're doing and someone that's just a beginner.

Speaker 01: 0:29

Yeah, I I'd like to think I know what I'm doing. I don't want to toot my horn that much.

Speaker 02: 0:34

No, you're doing it in comparison to me. Let's put it that way. So fair, fair.

Speaker 01: 0:40

Yeah, so I have been pro-doming for seven years, nearly eight, in January on my birthday.

Speaker 02: 0:52

I'm older than you, it's fine. I don't know what I just called myself, but I'm looking at it.

Speaker 01: 0:57

You've been in like in less than three years, I will be pro-doming for well in the sex work industry for like ten years.

Speaker 02: 1:04

Yeah. I don't like been able to remember things and be like, oh, that was ten years ago.

Speaker 01: 1:12

I mean, you just want them was just like COVID was like five, and I was like, oh my god, I moved to Scotland five years ago. Yeah, yeah. Let's keep that to three or four.

Speaker 02: 1:21

Just to three or four forever. Feel young later.

Speaker 01: 1:26

So yeah, we're gonna do uh talk about pegging today, we're gonna talk about the dietary, we're gonna talk about um cleaning it. Just the preparation, yeah.

Speaker 02: 1:41

What what you need to do to get your show ready.

Speaker 01: 1:44

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 1:44

Um I feel like just thinking about what we've written, we'll focus only on the receiving end rather than the giver.

Speaker 01: 1:53

Oh. This can be like a free fall part of now.

Speaker 02: 1:57

I feel like for this especially, just because of the irium, it is not it's it's a it's a thing that does take quite a lot of preparation on the receiving end. So I feel like that's totally fair. That's where our minds have went and what we're focusing on.

Speaker 01: 2:10

Yeah. And it's unisex as well, where everybody has a butt and an anus.

Speaker 02: 2:17

Yeah. So it's not like gendered or anything like that. As much as we're using the term peggin, which is mostly associated with cis female, two male, like it can be anybody. It's just everybody's got their own terms for using a dildo and an ass.

Speaker 01: 2:33

Yes.

Speaker 02: 2:34

Regardless of gender or sexuality. But peggin is just our preferred term because that's what we're mostly used to, is carrying it out in that format.

Speaker 01: 2:42

So yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, what is on the list first?

Speaker 02: 2:48

I thought we could start with the most obvious one, which is enemas or douche, depending on how uh how deep you want to go.

Speaker 01: 2:56

Hopefully. So we we went on a journey of like we do like to try and research before we do our episodes. So we did look at the differences between douching and enemas.

Speaker 02: 3:09

Yeah, which I wasn't aware of before that. I just assumed they were like the same, just different names, or maybe different equipment.

Speaker 01: 3:16

I thought different equipment because you do have like the bulb, yeah, which is like called the douching bulb. Yeah. So that is like the cheapest option you can get, really. Don't one one thing I must say, like I I know this is like the cheapest option. What I'm saying is like the bulb, which you can find in practically every section or online. Don't go with the cheapest, cheapest, cheapest option, which is shoving the shower up your ass. Yeah. That is like where things can tear and whatnot.

Speaker 02: 3:53

You can't control the pressure or if there's a temperature change or somebody's doing the dishes downstairs. Yeah, I feel like that yeah. Yeah, just leave it there, guys. Do things sensibly.

Speaker 01: 4:08

Like just as like the cheapest, I was like, oh wait, there is like the shower house, and I know people do use that as well. Same if like you're trying to like make one at home, and like I've seen people use like a bottle and like squirt it up there. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 4:23

Just just just be careful guys to like tear some things and it is a very fragile area, as much as it's got like a heavy traffic area, like it's still really thin, fragile skin, and it's important to be safe.

Speaker 01: 4:38

Absolutely. Yeah, it can it can be a heavy uh trafficked area, but there are some people who are like little anal virgins and stuff.

Speaker 02: 4:47

Well, I mean we should, but going in, not going out, it's very true. Is is it's built for for the most part.

Speaker 01: 4:59

I don't even know if that's true, but that's a a different I mean I feel like it's very everything these days is just very traditional where it's like this is what this is gonna do, this is what this is gonna do. And why is the peace book up there? Exactly, exactly. This is the like that for there's like clearly a purpose there. Exactly. Like I think I think it all just comes down to like people saying, Oh, it's traditional, if you have it up the bum, you're gay and stuff like that. But again, that is another podcast episode we can talk about the whole bullshit, but exactly if it makes you feel nice playing with yourself in that area, go for it. It makes you happy, you're not doing anything wrong or anything like that, you're having fun with the body parts.

Speaker 02: 5:46

It's important for people to explore their bodies and like and everything.

Speaker 01: 5:51

You know, you could be missing it. You are missing it. You're missing it, let's like even if you don't like it, you've tried it, you've done it, good job. Because I know from previous experience that our clients who can't get over the quote unquote manly factor and they can't enjoy it full.

Speaker 02: 6:10

There's a real real stigma with that. Yeah. Which is why I think it's so important and why I think there needs to be more education and stuff on it, because it's just bums. Everybody's got one. Like, it doesn't have to have any special meaning attached to it. No. Like it's just it doesn't have to be secret. You enjoying your body, or you and your partner enjoying each other's bodies to the fullest potential, you know, like it doesn't need to be Yeah, do you it doesn't have to be political, you know what I mean? It can just be fun.

Speaker 01: 6:40

Yeah, you know that saying, uh my body my choice. Yeah, you should be able to do what you want to do with your body and everything like that. And you you all should agree.

Speaker 02: 6:54

If you don't, you're on the wrong podcast. Exactly. So circling back to enemas, um, can you explain roughly what that is for people that haven't come across these terms before? Audition.

Speaker 01: 7:08

Okay. So the enema part is where you go past the anus and pass the into the coblant. Oh yeah, but less than that, like what what is the what is it? Oh, so there's multiple different types of enemas that you can get. The one which I do for like my clients is just a water enema. That's it.

Speaker 02: 7:34

So it's putting water up your bum. To clean.

Speaker 01: 7:37

Yes. Before doing pegging.

Speaker 02: 7:41

Or any other like anal activity usually.

Speaker 01: 7:44

Yeah. So that pick people give themselves enemas like in their homes and things in general. So like you can do like a coffee enema. Yogurt enemas. Go back to our previous episodes. You'll learn about Dr. Kellogg. So the type of enemas that there are, there is a sodium fossate. Focate. Fauxate, enema. Um, it's the most common one and the fastest acting. So this is like in the medical industry, I want to say.

Speaker 02: 8:20

Yeah, because like quite a lot of like I know this isn't a specifically kink it can be. Some people just really enjoy enemas as like a thing and of themselves.

Speaker 01: 8:29

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 8:29

But a lot of these things do come from medical practices a lot of the time. Or they have previously been associated with like like the violet ones, for instance, with the like hair growth thing. It's great. We're so inventive. We're so inventive to take like mundane everyday objects and just turn them into like absolute filth. It's great.

Speaker 01: 8:51

So that type of enema is a mix of water and salt, so saline. These enemas pull water from your colon and into your stool so it easily passes. It's like what it's one of the most common ways of doing it. But again, it's like medical. Not everybody's gonna have that at home.

Speaker 02: 9:12

It's the point in that to then like hover shit. Like afterwards. Yes, yes. Yeah, so like that's part of the process. It's not just like so for an enema because it's going further up and deeper and it's like actually affecting like the shit that's already in you. Like that's part of like the preparation after or like the aftermath kind of thing.

Speaker 01: 9:32

Yeah, yeah. Like I will give somebody an enema and so I'll fill a bag and they'll they'll have the bag all in their ass, all the water, and the water will be lukewarm, don't fucking do it with freeze of cold water or burnt in hot water.

Speaker 02: 9:49

Not a good time.

Speaker 01: 9:50

That's not good.

Speaker 02: 9:50

Coldness makes muscles cramp. You don't won't be muscles cramping. No, it's it's really really bad.

Speaker 01: 9:58

So lukewarm water. I usually do like a full bag, maybe a half bag, and then get them to maybe jump around. And we didn't do jumping chat, he's probably gonna swelling around in there. Sludge a bit. Yeah. And then I get them to go toilet. And we repeat that a few times. And so it's quite a labour-intensive process doing like the NMRC things. Absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, we do it a few times, back and forth, back and forth, to make sure everything is flushed out. Yeah. But even if you think like everything is flushed out, there's usually still some water in there somewhere.

Speaker 02: 10:46

So it's all very looped in bit as well. So it makes sense that some water movie gets stuck in there.

Speaker 01: 10:56

Well yeah, I'm sure in a future podcast we'll do about fisting, but like there's a lot with the large intestines.

Speaker 02: 11:02

They're uh what was it, seven foot? Five foot. Five foot five foot long.

Speaker 01: 11:08

Five foot long, the large intestines. Yeah. So it's quite a lot where the enema needs to go and things. But yeah, that is one of the um different types of enema. A glycerin enema? Oh. Um that's like so.

Speaker 02: 11:27

Oh. Like gly like I know glycerin's in soap, anyway.

Speaker 01: 11:31

Oh. Does the same thing. A Bia Coat something. Um stimulates your co colon to move so it pushes the poop out. Yeah. Mineral miner mineral oil enemas. Duplicate your colon so that the poop can slide through easily.

Speaker 02: 11:53

Like a big Lord's intestine slip and slide. Oh I feel like putting like anytime I think mineral oil, I think baby oil. And I feel like that would be horrendous to put in you. Because I know you're not supposed to use that as limp because it like dries everything out.

Speaker 01: 12:08

I had a soapy and really like to use that to masturbate with, but it was terrible.

Speaker 02: 12:13

It's not good for you.

Speaker 01: 12:14

No, I'm like, why baby oil, dude?

Speaker 02: 12:17

It's just a thing. Like it's a thing like I've came across before as well. Like people want to use that as limp, but no.

Speaker 01: 12:23

It just doesn't work, and it gets all slippery and oily, and I'm just like, why can't you?

Speaker 02: 12:28

It dries out so fast though. Because it's like for moisturizing your skin. Like as much uh it sounds backwards and it dries it out, but it like dries areas that are wet out. So like if you put it in your ass, like it's gonna dry it out.

Speaker 01: 12:41

Oh, absolutely. And that's what we'll come to. Uh we'll talk about like how it can the things that you put in your ass, how it can affect them, or things like that. So the last one is Bar? Mm-hmm. Bar-I-U-M. Oh, barium. Barium enemas are used are only used during a special x-ray procedure.

Speaker 02: 13:07

Yeah, I've heard of that before. I'm sure that's a line that in like a rap song. I sound like an old fucking fart, isn't that? But like anyway.

Speaker 01: 13:17

But yeah, then they're all different types of enemas, but let's be honest, we're probably just gonna use tap water.

Speaker 02: 13:23

Like that's for like medical use. And it's not to say that you can't incorporate that into medical kinks and stuff. You know, or like even I would say like the saline would maybe work better than just tap water, but it's fine to just use tap water. Yeah, absolutely. Uh on the flip side there's dishon, which we obviously had to look up to see what the difference was. And I think the reason why they're associated with the bulbs is because they obviously hold a lot less water than the bags do. And what you're aiming to do with the dishon is just doing just cleaning out the rectum. So I feel like you wouldn't necessarily be trying to like go to the toilet after that. You would just be like getting rid of the water. Because it would just be like cleaning that area rather than it going further back. Unless there were shutting in there on it.

Speaker 01: 14:11

You'd still need to go to the toilet just to double like to flush out the water. Yeah. But that's that's where I'm gonna maybe stay on there for a few minutes and just squeeze a little.

Speaker 02: 14:21

Is when you're douching and using animals, is the aim to like hold it in for as long as you can? Or is that just like I feel like that's like a myth. I don't know why I'm sure that was the advice a while ago.

Speaker 01: 14:35

I don't know about holding it as long. I do wait a good few minutes. A good few minutes, yeah. And it it seems to be fine. I know that afterwards you are meant to wait like an hour or two hours or even longer. So to just make sure it runs out, yeah. Yeah, because um I have had a lovely session where this is going. The water wasn't out. It wasn't out. Oh god, it went everywhere. It was while pegging him, and like he came and I was like, it's fine, it's fine. I'm a professional, we're not gonna mention it. Yeah. So I I think to this day he does not realise what he did. Yeah, but it's fine, it's it's part of the job, it happens. But yeah, the water can still be in there. So my clients they'll usually they won't eat anything in the morning.

Speaker 02: 15:42

Yeah, I was gonna say is there like a kind of fasting period because I've seen that online, like people tend to do that if they've got activities planned for the evening, like they'll just not eat. But that feels like I don't know, like what if that's something you're doing regularly? Like that feels like a lot.

Speaker 01: 15:58

It's a lot It's a lot on the body, it really is. Yeah, it it sucks because I will have clients where like they don't eat the day before and things, yeah, because they properly are too anxious about having they're too anxious of getting their little food. But it's okay. It's fine. It's good in the bump, like it happens.

Speaker 02: 16:21

You're in you're in its territory.

Speaker 01: 16:23

Like exactly, like even the the people who I've seen, even if they have done it really, really well, but like if I like go full speed, like there could be a little bit of mushiness and like watery poop and things. Yeah. Just even the littlest bit and it's okay. Yeah, it happens. Um it's nothing to be ashamed about or anything like that. Um well, yeah, some people fast and diet and eat certain things.

Speaker 02: 16:59

Is that something that you like recommend as like having a certain diet for as long as it's healthy.

Speaker 01: 17:06

Yeah. As long as you're still getting the nutrients.

Speaker 02: 17:10

What's the type of things? If you don't know, it's kind of like just I'm not so sure.

Speaker 01: 17:14

Is it like fibrous stuff? I wouldn't think so, because fibre makes you poop.

Speaker 02: 17:19

Hey, but you're not wanting that, so that it's like do you know what I mean?

Speaker 01: 17:23

I wouldn't say wanting that.

Speaker 02: 17:25

So it's like cleared up.

Speaker 01: 17:26

Because it makes it. Doesn't fibre make poop?

Speaker 02: 17:30

I don't know. I'm not like a poopologist or whatever the fucking name is.

Speaker 01: 17:37

Because as long as like you drink your water.

Speaker 02: 17:39

Yeah. So drinking plenty of water.

Speaker 01: 17:42

Yeah, yeah, drinking plenty of water. And I don't really know what else, food-wise. Little things here and there, but nothing that would make you shit your guts out.

Speaker 02: 17:53

Yeah. Didn't you have a lot of coddy the night before?

Speaker 01: 17:55

No, no, no. Oh god. Somebody's got a kink from that, definitely. I know a few clients. Yeah. But um, yeah, and I'm not so sure about dietary requirements because everybody's different. Um, like I've realized I think it was it was either mac and cheese or chicken pie, and it made me really fat. Yeah. And I was just like, oh, this would be good for content. So like everybody's different. Yeah. So I don't know what exactly to recommend. I'm sure there will be things out there, but you'll have to like play around with it basically. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 02: 18:33

Because it depends on the person. Yeah. Like with fucking everyone, totally. Cool. Let's move away from the discussion. I mean, it's inevitable, and I feel like that is the thing that people worry about the most, which is why we wanted to talk about it first.

Speaker 01: 18:48

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 02: 18:49

Like, it's I think it's the thing that puts people off trying it. It's that worry and that fear.

Speaker 01: 18:56

Yeah. Like Especially if like it's a new partner as well. Or if like it's new in any sense.

Speaker 02: 19:04

You It just is a new thing if you're trying it for the first time.

Speaker 01: 19:08

Yeah. And like even in my long-term relationships, like I don't really want to poop on this penis and stuff. Yeah. If it was going in me. But it like it is embarrassing to some people, most people, but it is life. Go develop it. Poop on poop on whoever's penis is.

Speaker 02: 19:28

Yeah. If they're not prepared for that, they shouldn't be doing it.

Speaker 01: 19:31

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 19:32

Because it does look like it's just happened.

Speaker 01: 19:34

As long as like I would say you acknowledge what has happened and you don't like make a big deal of it. As long as like you don't ignore it. What do you mean, sorry? In the way of like, well, I've been shot on. And like the guy has like just completely ignored it and like not necessarily not necessarily said sorry, but like understood what it takes to like fuck a guy in the ass. In the ways of like dealing with or anybody, just at all. Like dealing with the poop and being the other person being thankful that they did that, if that makes any sense. Like, oh you just got poop on me. Yeah. They could like maybe like say sorry or thank you for doing this sometimes. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 20:28

I think like maybe that's just in my line of work. I was gonna say, I feel like that's maybe like a work thing. Because like if it's your partner, like that's not like you're doing them a favour, like you're having like an intimate moment with them.

Speaker 01: 20:40

That's true.

Speaker 02: 20:41

Like I'm not saying, like, do you know what I mean? I don't know how to explain that.

Speaker 01: 20:44

I love that we've got different perspectives off this because I don't really have that much um perspective as like in like personal way of me taking angle, but I had the work way.

Speaker 02: 20:57

Well, think about it like, not that this is comparable in any way. The only reason I'm thinking about it is like just because there's similar stigma attached. If you got your periods while you were having sex with someone, would you apologize? Oh because it's it's not the same, but some people do take the same reaction. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um anybody that I know. But like your body doing a thing that you have no control over. I would acknowledge it. Yeah, I think it's I think that's fair, but like you've not really got anything to apologise for in that sense.

Speaker 01: 21:34

I think it comes down to what clients I deal with as well, because that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 02: 21:38

Like, I feel like that's where the difference is, rather than it being I think it's like in in a professional setting.

Speaker 01: 21:46

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 21:46

If someone it's it's not even their behaviour, like there's just you want that professional courtesy, you want that like gratefulness, are you doing a good job regardless of what happens. And if you're not getting that, especially when something has gone naughty plan and you have like figured it out, you want a bit of recognition for it in a way that you don't when it's like you and a partner, because it's not like a service you're providing then, it's just like an intimate an emotion, yeah, all that stuff. There's more stuff stuff involved that's not like this like transactional thing.

Speaker 01: 22:25

Interesting. Yeah, because with my experience, I've had guys that diarrhea and all that stuff, and they've like some of them have apologized, others have like scoffed and stuff, yeah, and like laughed it off. Is this because they're like uncomfortable though? I'm not trying to like most likely, there's always something underlining somebody's reaction to something, but sadly, even if you're getting the brunt a lot, and that's not fair. Yeah, and I can't be like, so why do you feel like this? Yeah, because they're not here for that. Yeah. If they are here for that, that's cool, but mm, some of them aren't, and they just want to get fucked in the ass, even if their ass is dirty or not, because there are times where I have to tell a client to like go clean or things and they don't know how to do an enema or a douche, and I have to teach them, and then that in itself is also like humiliating to them as well.

Speaker 02: 23:24

Yeah, yeah. Like if they're not there for that, that could be a lot.

Speaker 01: 23:27

Yeah, and just in in general, if the guy does want to do an enema or a douche, they can find it humiliating in a way because they're having to bend over, uh grab their cheeks open and let me show something up there.

Speaker 02: 23:42

Yeah, because they're doing that anyway, that's what they're there for. Yeah, like what's the no, what's the difference?

Speaker 01: 23:48

Like I understand it's the psychology part of like how they feel, and like I really wish a lot of my clients would open up and let me let me in. Open up and let me in. And then I I wish they were comfortable and to to let their guard down for me to be like like even even though I do say like it's okay and everything like that, there's no with some of them, there's no like in-depth talk about why they feel like this and whatnot.

Speaker 02: 24:20

Like it's these great software.

Speaker 01: 24:22

Yeah, so I I love that the not premise, but what you bring to the podcast and what I bring, it's it could like with this, it can be so different. We go absolutely not sort of off topic, but into the discussion of just my experiences and your experiences, and how they're so different from me being in the industry. And even other people in the industry can absolutely have a different view and a different say experience who's in new to it. Yeah, exactly. Like I've had wonderful lovely clients who have like apologized for shitting on me or like thanked me for fucking them in the ass and like how amazing that was, but it is very, very different from a connection you have with somebody. Yeah, absolutely, and it it does depend on so many things in a relationship if you're comfortable with them f fucking you in the ass at times.

Speaker 02: 25:19

Alright, like we've nearly been together 10 years. That's like a comfort level beyond, you know, like I don't know, we've seen everyone at this point. Like it's just like not in space immediately. Yeah.

Speaker 01: 25:30

So I mean I've got a bad rap with relationships, so we'll come back to that when I found a good stable one. Which uh which likes my kicks and stuff, but we'll come back to that. We'll come back to that in a few years. But yeah, dietry, don't know.

Speaker 02: 25:47

Cool. Other than drinking plenty of water is important. Because you don't you don't want stuff to be stuck, basically. Yeah. And then come out at inopportune moments.

Speaker 01: 25:57

So even if you do anime and douche, uh, poop can still like cling onto the sides and things like that. So again, you can have a mishap, but it's okay.

Speaker 02: 26:06

It's totally fine.

Speaker 01: 26:06

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 26:07

And if it's with a sex worker, thank them. Thank your sex workers, guys, for all the hard fucking work they do and the stuff that they ignore.

Speaker 01: 26:16

Like again, it is a lot of the job, but thank you so the word. Thank you for cleaning up my poo dribbles. Like, it's good, it's fine. It keeps everybody happy. Exactly.

Speaker 02: 26:32

Cool, so um training.

Speaker 01: 26:35

Training. Okay. So for pegging, the training would be if you do have somebody you play with, then I would get them to use their fingers. Or even by your show you could do that as well. I was gonna get some. Oh, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 02: 26:53

I'll let you let the professional talk.

Speaker 01: 26:58

So if you do have somebody you play with, make sure their fingernails are really clipped down because your asshole is gonna feel every single bit of that. Yeah, absolutely all of it. It is like so sensitive, such a sensitive area. Just wits. Yeah. Like if you have long nails, it is gonna be even if you have long nails and like you bite your nails, it's gonna be so easy for you to cut into um the rectum and the anus. Yeah. Even if you have gloves on, you have to just make sure like your nails are like rounded, no short.

Speaker 02: 27:34

I like they can pop through the gloves.

Speaker 01: 27:35

Yeah, and you can just feel them as well. Like you like my left hand has claws, and I don't really put that into anybody really, unless I'm fisting somebody with both hands, which it's not that common, but it does happen. Yeah, I do have to like triple glove it, yeah. But even then, you will still be able to like feel the point of things, and you can punch um parts of their ass, dittyness the wreck and things, so it's not really that wise to have out of the ordinary nails. Um yeah, start with one finger, use gloves because it is an area where poop is anyway, in general. So use gloves, use lots of lube. Do not be afraid to like use half a bottle of lube or something like that.

Speaker 02: 28:30

Do gloves make it easier? Because like fingers are quite textured, and I would imagine like gloves make it more smooth. Oh like just right in the beginning, if it's like the first thing.

Speaker 01: 28:42

Like So I actually I I love my clients, I really do. There was this one particular client, which I don't think he's moved away now, so he's in England. But he was really, really good with being descriptive with how my hand felt inside of him. Yeah. So he liked really, really tight gloves. Yeah. Because you would be able to feel like the textures of my hands, and there wouldn't be any crinkles in the gloves or anything. Because I would also use like cattle gloves if I was like proper fisting. Yeah. And they've got loads of wrinkles in. So latex gloves he really liked. And yeah, so the gloves is just for gems and for like hygiene and stuff.

Speaker 02: 29:35

I'm just wondering if like I I understood that it was just if they like served like a dual purpose. Because I could imagine like even with if you had your nails like cut really short, that's still like a bump. And then like a knuckle's a bump. Do you know what I mean? If you're like trying to be like really gentle and like that's fine. Just like a glove wouldn't it would still have bumps, but it would be smoother. Oh yeah, like more like a toy. Do you know?

Speaker 01: 30:00

I mean, yeah, yeah, it'll be less textured.

Speaker 02: 30:03

Aye, so it would be easier to go on. That's aye, that was what was trying to say.

Speaker 01: 30:06

Dependent on the glove, yes. Because I've got two different types of gloves upstairs, and the latex ones are so good. Like I have like medical grade ones, and they're beautiful, they're so smooth. Yeah, it's definitely worth it going into like some good skin tight gloves. Yeah. You'll get like the best feeling out of it. But you also have to watch out if you've got any cuts on your hands. Yeah. Put put some gloves on. We need to keep that hygiene up in the way of not getting any infections in our hands and things. Um well, I mean same if you're eating ass as well. Yeah. You've just gotta think about the hygiene aspect. Um training, so like what you're doing on the use of finger first, and you can so if you're doing a solo play, you can get small dildos. Like you have dildos of every shape and size now, and you can get like thin ones. You can try it with your own finger. For the love of God, do not try a toothbrush, don't try a hairbrush, don't try bottle spray, don't do any of that. Yeah, get like you can do it discreetly. You can order a dildo off of Amazon, you can order online, like the majority of places are really discreet these days. Just including Sanctuary Sin. Go there, go go to the shop. Um you will find so many lovely toys. But get a small one to start off with, and that you can find like training dildos. Yeah. And you can find ones with like knobbly bits and like um textured and ribbed and things like that.

Speaker 02: 32:02

But I would say in the beginning, stick with the smooth until you've built up like until you're used to the feeling.

Speaker 01: 32:07

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 32:08

Because I feel like the actual feeling it like going past the ass. Like if it's like loads, if it's like ribbed, that's loads of that. Whereas if it's smooth, it's just the one and then it's like more a continuation of it.

Speaker 01: 32:20

If that makes sense, yeah.

Speaker 02: 32:22

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 32:22

I yeah, I would absolutely start with something small. I mean when people do anal with like an actual penis, like for for example, like you're doing it with a partner or something, you don't have a choice in like the size of the penis or anything like that. So when I have like done anal, oh the ring of fire, like it is the go slowly.

Speaker 02: 32:53

Yeah, it's a muscle that you're building. Yeah, you're building it up, so start small.

Speaker 01: 32:58

Yeah, because like if you just go in with like an average shy as cock, sad face. I like big penis, so sorry. Um big big penis. Did you say big boobies? Big big penis? That's why you say big boobies. I like big boobies too. Like big boobies, small boobies, any sense of boobies. Any boobies, big dick. Yeah. Put them together in it before they'll be fine. Uh um, yeah, so we don't like penis owners don't really have a choice of like the size of their penis. So take it really nice and slow. Yeah. Like, when I do it, I would I I say like hold it. Don't fucking move. Yeah. Because it is the ring of fire right now, and the asshole needs to like relax and get used to it.

Speaker 02: 34:02

I feel like that's your number one enemy is like the relaxing bit.

Speaker 01: 34:06

Yes.

Speaker 02: 34:06

Because it's a it's a muscle that automatically tenses when you're anxious.

Speaker 01: 34:11

Yeah.

Speaker 02: 34:11

And that's not a fun time if there's something in there. No. You need to so this is why starting something small and smooth and working up. It's not just stretching the muscle, it's teaching yourself how to relax those muscles as well, consistently.

Speaker 01: 34:28

Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 34:29

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 34:30

Like you need to like sometimes sometimes you your your ass just doesn't want to work. Yeah. Which sucks. Like, I've had clients on days because I don't really do it in all that much, like on myself, but I've had clients where they're so used to it, they're up for it, they've got a black hole basically. Yeah. But at this certain day, their belly or like their ass just doesn't want to work. Yeah. And that's okay, that's fine. It happens, it happens. Um, even to like the experts, it sometimes it just doesn't work. Yeah. And that's okay. That's just the ass being an ass, basically. Um yeah.

Speaker 02: 35:17

So I feel like I don't know if this is a misconception, but like is it like ears and that you're stretching it and you'll get past a point where it'll go back to normal? Or is this just like one of these myth things where like it just always goes back to normal because it's built for that?

Speaker 01: 35:37

I would say it always goes back to normal.

Speaker 02: 35:40

Yeah. Because people see what you were saying about like the black hole and like the gaping and stuff like that's a thing. But is that a thing that like people work up to be able to do, but then it still goes back to normal? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 01: 35:53

If you keep training it and training it and training it and training it, it will like stay the same, I would say. Uh-huh. Because you're constantly but this is like constant. Is this like it's staying open? Like, is it not staying open? But just your body realizing how to relax thinness.

Speaker 02: 36:13

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 36:14

That's what I would say. Yeah. Because like if it's like, for example, you take a piercing out and you leave out for like a week and you try and put it in, and like you can't find the hole. That's sort of how the arse is.

Speaker 02: 36:31

So it just gets used to things over time and you kind of have to upkeep doing it to maintain that level of like ability to stretch it. Absolutely.

Speaker 01: 36:42

That that's what my take is.

Speaker 02: 36:44

So it's like building a muscle.

Speaker 01: 36:46

Yep.

Speaker 02: 36:46

Like, if you leave it and don't use it, it's gonna deteriorate over time. Kind of thing. Yeah, cool.

Speaker 01: 36:52

Like, you can absolutely overdo it with how um how big the toy is or what you do, because like you can like defecate on things like that. Yeah, that's the right word. Yeah, but that's like really, really extreme using toys every day and really really Or do you mean like making yourself incontinent? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 02: 37:19

Um, yeah. So that can happen then. That's what I mean by being open. Like not like like open that you can see, but like beyond the point. Well, if they then stopped, it would just return. I would think. For the most part. We can we can look this up anyway, but like cool.

Speaker 01: 37:38

Yeah, so we have spoken about pegging training and things like that and how to do it correctly, especially with like short fingernails and actually having the appropriate size toys. Yeah, because the amount of people I now have a little story.

Speaker 02: 38:00

Oh, cool. Go for it.

Speaker 01: 38:02

Yeah, just because this month, um, this past week, I had a client who came with his own dildo. Yeah. Um, which is fine, you can bring your own toys and everything like that. But this one was like 18 inches, and I was like, um, they'd never done it before.

Speaker 02: 38:18

Oh, he has! Oh right, okay.

Speaker 01: 38:19

So it was 18 inches in length.

Speaker 02: 38:21

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 38:21

But like he couldn't win the door. But he couldn't understand why exactly that he he couldn't take all 18 inches. Yeah. And it was like, it was quite solid.

Speaker 02: 38:36

Uh-huh.

Speaker 01: 38:36

And I was trying to explain to him, like it's gonna rearrange your Yeah, it's it's gonna hurt. Yeah. And like going through like the valves and things. And like he just didn't it it just didn't click in his head. And I was like, right, mate, this dildo was hurting you when I put in a few inches because it's too big, yeah, and it's too solid. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 38:59

Ah, you're really wanting a a bendy boy if you're wanting a Nikandilized in that area. Exactly.

Speaker 01: 39:04

That's why I've got some snakes.

Speaker 02: 39:06

And I have got it's always fucking snakes and lizards, but I was just like his name is literally Snake Colon. Yeah. I have seen them before.

Speaker 01: 39:18

I've got two of them. I got it when um Barbie was on, so the company did uh Barbie and Ken Mix. Oh, right, okay. I was like, where's the where's the link? So I've got one pink and one blue, so one Barbie among Ken. Barbie's obviously the longer one.

Speaker 02: 39:32

Yeah, of course. Of course. Cool. Um I know we're gonna speak about um hang-ups next, but I thought it'd be good to signal me sticking off, it's fine.

Speaker 01: 39:46

It's more it's more enticing people to dark on. We are in our lingerie.

Speaker 02: 39:53

Yeah.

Speaker 01: 39:53

I have my tits out.

Speaker 02: 39:55

Um a fluffy cat to do, that's great.

Speaker 01: 39:59

I am in black lingerie today. Well, actually, there'll be two different clips, won't there? Yeah. So previously I was in leopard print, and this time I'm in like this lycra type material. Honey bed, it's expensive, alright.

Speaker 02: 40:17

What was I wearing last week? I can't even remember. I think I had black as well. Black on as well, yeah.

Speaker 01: 40:24

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 02: 40:28

Um yeah, so instead of going on to that, why don't we cover the physical preparation and then we can cover like the mental preparation. I feel like that's a good split.

Speaker 01: 40:36

Okay, so the physical preparation.

Speaker 02: 40:39

Yeah, so the next couple of things I've got is like poppers, which I thought we could touch on a little bit.

Speaker 01: 40:45

Oh yes. So poppers, it's gonna be an episode in itself. Yeah. But we're gonna like not nitpick, but we're gonna like just skim read poppers, basically.

Speaker 02: 40:59

Do you want me to explain what they are to start with?

Speaker 01: 41:01

So poppers it's advertised as a leather cleaner. Sometimes. Sometimes.

Speaker 02: 41:08

Or like an air freshener, like a room deodorizer, sorry. That's the Yeah.

Speaker 01: 41:14

Um but it's not that. That's just a way of people getting around it really.

Speaker 02: 41:19

Well it's also that as well.

Speaker 01: 41:21

But it stinks. It's not my thing, it's not for me. It's it's it's so some people take it.

Speaker 02: 41:31

Usually it is stereotypically gay people, because for the for the butts, for the Yeah, like it's a muscle relaxer, but it's an inhalant that comes in like a little tub and you can like sniff it up your nose, and it can help with anal sex because it relaxes all your muscles, I believe, and obviously then also relaxes muscles and that. Yeah. So don't take it if like you have had a heart attack recently or you're pregnant, or like basically any of the rules we like alcohol or if you do partake in illegal substances, it's the same rules for any stimulant where um yeah, and the risks that are involved with inhalants. Again, we'll cover all this in a in a future episode because I think there's there's been loads of stuff happening way at paupers recently, and like they're kind of place within the law and stuff like that. So I think it'd be good to kind of go a bit more in depth and kind of cover the history. Absolutely. Um, but we're doing an episode on Pegan, like it made sense to cover them at least a little bit.

Speaker 01: 42:34

Yeah, so you can use it, it can be addictive as well. Um just like the majority of anything these days. People enjoy them because you can obviously relax your anal muscles and they can take more, and it also does give you like a little high in the head, yeah. Just for like a good few seconds, but people bum off of it, literally. But with that, you can depend on which type of poppers and how you how often you use them, and even if like you use them one after another, one sniff after another, um, you can go blind.

Speaker 02: 43:17

Yeah, there's l there's loads of risks with them, um, but they are quite a common thing that are used as part of NL6.

Speaker 01: 43:25

Oh, you can go down to like your vape shop and I guarantee you've got to do that.

Speaker 02: 43:27

I see them everywhere. Everywhere, because they are this is where they're legal, but I they're legal, um not for ingestion or to be sold as such. Mm-hmm. Yeah, at the moment.

Speaker 01: 43:42

At the moment. But yeah, there's like three different types you can get, but each of them come with their own literal warning label of what could potentially be. Do not consume like at this point it's as dangerous as like birth control, but and again, another episode. But yeah, poppers most people who part so some people who partake in anal do use them. And I know that some women do use them as well.

Speaker 02: 44:13

Yeah, totally.

Speaker 01: 44:14

So yeah, it's it's not just for like a certain section of people, like everybody can use them.

Speaker 02: 44:21

Yeah, but you don't need to use them, and it's perfectly like sometimes it can be more unsafe to use them, especially in the beginning, because it does stun your blood, so if anything does happen, you're gonna bleed more, etc. etc.

Speaker 01: 44:34

So um there is a certain frickin' medical condition where if you get a cut you'll just bleed and bleed and bleed. And no, I remember I was pegging somebody and they had their face in the pillow. Yeah, and because they sniffed poppers and their face was uh their nose was in the pillow, they easily got a nosebleed.

Speaker 02: 44:56

Ah, like with the pressure and stuff, yeah.

Speaker 01: 44:58

Yeah, and I was like, oh my god. And also if you are easily able to like faint or like if you feel dizzy, sit down, don't take poppers. Yeah, like no no no no no no no, it's not good because I've had a client who he's taken poppers that much over the years that one, you become immune to like how strong they can be. Yeah, and so you want stronger and stronger and stronger poppers. Like the average just isn't good enough, it doesn't give you a good enough high. And also it's like in a way, sniffing coke in the way that it's it makes your nose really, really sensitive.

Speaker 02: 45:42

Yeah, like it has the same like risks involved with putting anything up your nose.

Speaker 01: 45:47

Yeah, and so yeah, it's a sensitive area, so yeah. So yeah, you sniff and like you can burn the inside of your nose. So papas absolutely are not necessary. Yeah. You could you can still do anal, you can still get that lovely black hole in your ass. Like you can do it. Like you don't need to use papas or anything like that.

Speaker 02: 46:13

Well, I think that's us for for this part. Um thanks for listening as always. If you want to check out our cool outfits, check us out on DarkFans. The links on our all my links. Um we've still got Uncensored Market coming up on the 15th of December. We've still got some tickets left for the workshops and stuff, so grab them now before they're all gone. Um as always, we've got a little discount code for you guys at thesancuryofsin.com. If you use behind the padlet, checkout, you'll get a 10% discount code.

Speaker 01: 46:45

Nice, yeah. Um go check out our dark fans, basically. Our dark fans is a must. Um I don't think I need to say anything. I don't have anything on these days. Uh oh. Could I be like uh catch me at club tea next week?

Speaker 02: 47:07

Oh yeah. This will be out after that.

Speaker 01: 47:10

Will it be?

Speaker 02: 47:11

No, this is coming out tomorrow, isn't it? It is coming out tomorrow. We will be at Club T next Friday in Glasgow.

Speaker 01: 47:16

So if anybody actually wants to come up to us and be like, love the podcast.

Speaker 02: 47:20

Which is always fun. Come and see how.

Speaker 01: 47:23

Yeah, I will be in a lovely latex um I like to call them an elf outfit, but it doesn't have ears or a heart or anything. But it's um a nice green candy cane dress with um lovely latex stockings and r candy cane gloves and like oh it's so cute. It has bells.

Speaker 02: 47:44

Oh, that's cute.

Speaker 01: 47:45

I know. I'm so excited to wear it again. Um, but yeah. Cool. Thanks for listening, guys. Bye.

Speaker 02: 47:53

Bye.