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Hi, and welcome to Behind the Powder Podcast with me, Paulson Victoria and me, Emily Sin. Yeah. So last episode we were discussing Peggin and all its glory. Uh we covered a little bit about the P spot, uh, loop positions, dildo variation, and harnesses. Yeah. So if you haven't given that a listen, you're welcome to go back and listen to that and then we shall wait patiently. Yeah, absolutely. And you go listen to it. You go listen to like all of them, just in general. Just in general, I feel. But today we're gonna do part two. Yeah, we are gonna do part two of pegging. Yeah, very exciting. Cool. So our first topic is double dipping. Starting off strong. Strong in odour as well. Yeah. Oh no no. Yeah, so double dipping is it's different. Yeah. It's very common, I feel. I feel like it's almost a fetish. Like in the way that like or it can't it definitely can be. I feel like it comes into the canade like Is it that different for like ribbon, for instance? In terms of like I know we're saying no, but I feel like it's one of them where it's like I feel like your tongue can only go so far. Whereas if you're putting something longer in, you're reaching. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. That's fair. I think yeah. I think if you're putting something longer in, unless you've got a massive tongue. Yeah. Um you are um touching other stuff potentially, potentially. Alright. It's more I feel like it's like something to be aware of rather than like kink shaming people, because obviously it's a thing that like I mean. Yeah, totally. But you could say that about eating shit as well, for instance. Like that's a whole other level on top, you know. It's what I specialise in, yeah. It's just like not eating shit, no, the other bit making people eat my shit. You're feeding them, and we feeder. Yep. Yep. I've totally lost my train of thought. Where was I going with this? And that it's something to be aware of, and there's pros and cons.

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Yes.

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As with anything, yeah. Um, but it's maybe something that people wouldn't think of, especially if they've like douched or something before that hand. They maybe think that means the way is clear. Yeah. But that's another thing, the movement of something going in and out. Yeah. Bounce on the cage. If you're if you're assigned up to our dark fans, you can see that. But yeah, yeah, I feel like the movement of something going in and out could potentially slosh something around. You're I feel like, especially if what am I trying to say? Doing that action is gonna make like the muscles contract. So like you're kind of sloshing everything up a bit. Yeah. Yeah. And then if you do feel like you're gonna have a poop, then something could happen. Or just yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I feel is just something that you need to like that's always gonna be a possibility. Even if you prep beforehand, like you're you're gonna hits area. Like exactly. It might be there. So could you explain what double dipping exactly is? Yeah, so double dipping we in in this instance would mean someone putting a toy or a penis or just anything really into an anus or yeah, inserting the a-leaf and then putting it in their mouth afterwards. Oh, isn't it now? Because in Pegan that's the only other pole that would be available if we're speaking strictly someone with a strap on and then some a penis on or being like the penetrators. But it c it's used to mean like analytic vaginally as well. Yeah, yeah. But in this instance it would be analytic or nice. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I in my work, I've had a few people who want to do that and don't mind it. I mean, condoms are on my toys. Um, so like, no, if there is any poop or anything like that, they're not gonna run the toys, they're just gonna run the condom. So you could take the condom off and then still simulate that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If that's something that they're in it, which I feel is like probably pretty common. Uh yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, there are people who just want to they're fine with doing it straight out of uh I found it a bit common when it comes to like force by and things like that. Absolutely. They're they're absolutely okay with because it's the degradation and the humiliation, and like that only adds to the humiliation of it and things, yeah. Absolutely. It's it's it's yeah. Yeah, as well like as we've said, like there's obviously risks involved with that, but if it's between two consent and partners, that's totally fine. I just I think it's important to be informed on the risks and then you're making informed choices rather than that happening and you not really being aware of the kind of potential issues that can happen. Yeah. What are the risks? Because I just know just hygiene-wise, it can just be not so good with bacteria. Yeah, so the big ones would be getting like almost like food poisoning, like salmonella, e. coli, like that's the bacteria that it lives in you all the time anyway, but it's there within like in excess in shit. So if you're then ingesting that, you could essentially get like food poisoning from it. Um it's not an always thing, it's just it could potentially happen, yeah. Yeah, it's it's mostly just the the bacteria and stuff. Um so it's not like itself poisonous or anything, it's just that it could potentially make you ill. Oh, okay. Okay, and it would be the same double dipping because you're still taking bacteria from that area and then ingesting it. But in a much smaller amount than you would if you were actually like eating like. But there's still a risk there. It is risks to everything, no matter how small and like yeah. Yeah. Well, this is talking about double dipping. So now that's it. I think pretty much, yeah. Like, other than speaking about it like vaginally as well. Okay, yeah, we've got to potentially. I feel like that's like a different thing to this though. I don't know. Um, in a future episode, we'll we'll probably talk about vagina owners and double dipping, just because this episode is about pegging. Yeah, double dipping. It's up to you whether that's something that you want to try and explore. Um, you've gave like an option of doing like kind of simulating that where you put a condom on the toy, take it off afterwards, and then you're still doing the actions, but you're just doing it in a safer way. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it can be fun, but yeah, just be aware of the risks. Yeah, exactly. Cool. That's it, next one. Uh leakage, which we've kind of covered a little bit of. So we covered it on the prep a little bit because we talked about um the kind of hang-ups and stuff, and like um eye and duching as well, and that like there's things that you can do to prep for that to be avoided, but not completely. Exactly. Not everything is 100%, but it's just life. And especially when it comes to anything to do with intimate play. Like, yeah. We're human bodies, we're animals at the end of the day, not everything's like not everything can be controlled and kept to a deadline, like that's going on biologically within you. Exactly. Um there's things that you can do to give you the the most likely, like the best chances of avoiding stuff, but you shouldn't be playing in that area if you don't want to get a bit dirty. Like it's just clear. It's just always gonna be a potential storm. And it's nothing to be embarrassed about at all. No, no, if it happens, yeah, just be aware that it might happen. Yeah, like it it might be embarrassing when it does happen, but hey, get over it, yeah. And I'm sure you'll do it again at some point, maybe a year down the line, maybe next week. Yeah, but like it'll be fine, it'll be absolutely fine. I take it. Is that something that you can type your clients for? Yeah, like I do tell my clients just like if you have douched or anything like that, uh, or gave yourself an enemoc, there might be water, yeah, there might be leakage of just poop or whatnot. Um is that always a requirement for you doing anal play with? Like if also go see, this is the difference between professional and lifestyle, yeah. Because the clients which I get, some of them aren't aware what it is. Yeah, some of them aren't aware of what an enema or douching is, and so I have to teach them. And I love my job where it comes down to like teaching and things like that. I absolutely love that aspect, even if it is me shoving a rod up your ass and going, Can you feel the water? All part of the fun name exactly, and so yeah, I the majority of the time I do have to teach them, and then I'm like, this is gonna be messy if you do not choose to give yourself a a douche an enema or whatnot. Yeah, um, and if it is, then it's fine. So it's an option then, you don't always it's not like oh it's if you want to require, yeah, that's what I yeah, cool. It's not required. But it's something you recommend. It's something I recommend, absolutely. Um, like there will be like splashback and things like that, I'm sure. Uh potentially. Again, it's not 100% you're gonna be fully clean or anything. Like I've had clients who haven't eaten all day and they've douched at the start of the day, and then like there's a speck of shit at like the end of my staff on or something like that, and it's like that's fine. Yeah, it's like it's okay. I've I've had this horror story that I can say where like clients have douched, but then they've had diarrhoea. Yeah, yeah. They'll put too much water in because this is like oh it wasn't watery or anything like that. Alright, okay, sorry. Like, like it was it was it was a bit thick. So this is something that uh have read about. So like see what we were saying about the difference between douchen and enemas, yeah. And douchen you're trying to stay within like the first little section, yeah. And then enemas are like the rest, yeah. Like further up the pipes, for a what a better way of putting that. Yeah. If you put too much water in, right, and you you fill up this first section, and then you end up with some further up, yeah, and then you proceed to do anal. Yeah, the little bit of water that's left in that's went round like the U-bend essentially, yeah, is then getting contracted with the muscles and with the shit that's in there and like oh slurrying it, basically, which is probably what's happened to my client. That's the way is it flurry flurry it, yeah. Oh god, yeah, and that went everywhere, and like there's been times where um we've done an enema and not all the waters went out, and I've like pulled out this giant knob of a dildo out this guy's ass, and it's like as like a fucking tsunami, yeah, and I'm just like this. Oh so anybody out there wanting to try and even in a professional setting, these things happen and are expected and not judged, and are just part of exploring in that area. Yeah, like I will judge you if you're an asshole and you purposely haven't douched because there are guys like that who will want to do messy play. Is that what you mean? But no, no, no. Messi play is different because that makes it sound like there's consent. That's what I mean. They want, but they've not t they've not told you about it. Yeah, yeah, because yeah, there's guys out there who will purposely um not douche, and you when once you penetrate them, you just get a waft of shit and you see all the shit and everything, and they do it on purpose. Yeah, um, because there's many reasons why they could do it. They might like messy plate, they might wanna, they might think it's gonna humiliate me or put me off or something like that. And it's like, nah, mate, I shove my own shit into people's mouths, like I'm okay dealing with your shit if I'm honest. Yeah, um it'll take a lot to rattle you at this point. Yeah, exactly. It's like I've made shit, cupcakes, I've I've made stuff and like piss gummies, like I've I've done a lot of stuff, like I've fed a guy shit uh on pastries and that. Like, I've done a lot. I've made shitty fudge, like it's good. Yeah, no, shitty brownies, shitty brownies, and like shit lollipops. Shitty brownies seem better than shitty fudge for some reason. Shitty lollipops, and like shit fruit, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit fruit. Shit fruit cake. Oh fruit cake. I had to see like the little marge of punk fruits. It's for somebody's birthday just like that, but like it is shit. I don't know why. Blue cookie card. Oh my god. Right. Well the sits on back on his shit with this. But yeah, there are people who are sadly in my profession, uh, where the clients will do it on purpose, and that is infuriating. That is the bad side of doing my job, where people do want to like sabotage the session in a way and do it without my consent. Yeah. Like, if we've discussed, because I will happily have a session with somebody, like with their own shit and stuff, like it doesn't need to include my shit. Like, that's fine. As long as we've communicated and you you know you paid for my time and things like that. Totally. Like consent is the name of the game. Yeah, exactly. I don't wanna like again, there's clients where I'll I'll stick my dildo in them and it'll come out messy. If you like apologize or like acknowledge that it's she, cool. I have more respect for you in that manner. Yeah, if you ignore that it's not there, less respect. I understand that it's embarrassing and everything like that. Um, but I'm I'm on about like major, major shit. Yeah, yeah, like a speck of shit, a few specks of shit, that's fine. It happens, but like major like diarrhoea, kind of like sloppy shit on my dick. I want to force it in your mouth. But we're not gonna do that, we're not gonna do consent, you know. Yeah, consent, totally, yeah. As long as there's respect and everything like that, yeah, peachy, flop and peachy. So our next topic is pain and tearing. Painal feel is like a massive thing on like porn hub and stuff. Like and I c I can I don't understand why that's enjoyable for people to watch, but I guess I don't know. I think what exactly is it? Penal. Penal. Have you never come across this? Um I mean I watch CNC, but like that's CNC. Yeah, so consent, non-consent. Penal, I think it might come under CNC to an extent. I can kind of see that. Because I've ripped a guy's ass all with CNC and he's thoroughly enjoyed it multiple times. It's it's basically like the like the aim is for it to be sort of yeah, yeah. Feel it for days. Like not using limp or just using spit or like that I guess it's it's just like they must be masochistic to some extent because I I I like getting caned. Yeah. And like afterwards, I have these beautiful fucking bruises. And that's enjoyable. Exactly. You get like a little trophy at the end of it. So it's not something I've ever came across in real life, though. Like I've never met someone who's been like, yeah, that's my thing, at least on the receiving end of it. But clearly you have yeah, yeah, multiple times. It's actually like I would say it's quite common. Yeah. That I've had guys then, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, because the majority of my clients are guys or uh like and penis owners. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but no, yeah, CNC, they just want it rammed in. Yeah. So yeah. Have they got previous experience though? Like, are they are they really at this stage in like I don't know I've got anal training, but you know what I mean? And that that's like not their first fenometing. It's not their first time. It's not because I feel like in that category at least the stuff that I have come across when people have showed me, it's been very like oh, this is their like taking their fucking anal virginity panel. Like it's got that like yeah vibe to it. Do you know what I mean? I mean, anything sells online to be fair, totally, especially when it's virgin and stuff like that. Oh god. Um I I am very like, oh I I love how um the sex industry works when it comes to advertising and what works and what doesn't work. Because if you add the word virgin to it, you'll get many, many more views. You really will. Um but yeah, I've had a good few clients where they've wanted me to destroy their asshole, just go in, and I'm like, I need lube, otherwise the condom will rip. Like it's your asshole, like and like you sometimes they'll be messy and everything like that, and like I can humiliate them over that. Um in this in the instances though, is it like is it actually Tatan? Like is there blood? Is that the yeah blood and it hurts after a while? Like I've got um a picture of um where he wanted to do CNC and I was like fine, cool, and it's on fair, yeah. It's on my fair where he's on the bed and he's like curled up and he's like my asshole. Yeah, um uh of course that picture was like consented to as well, but like um yeah, like I've had multiple. I remember I used to have a regular a few years ago who would come in on his work break, a brickie, and um anybody can have my services, it's like uh it's so good, it's fucking amusing to see what jobs people have and whatnot. But like, yeah, he used to come in on his break and then he'll be like, Destroy my asshole, yeah. And then go back to work afterwards, yeah. Yeah, and I was like, okay, that's fine, and yeah, I know when I take a big shit and my asshole rips, that hurts, man. I can't deal with that. I just I kinda I'm not again no pink shame in anybody. Like, I I feel like I'm quite a big masochist, but not in that way. Like, I feel like that's like well you can tell. Yeah, yeah, totally. Like I could be purple, that's fine. Yeah, but like not in that way. I think it's like the I don't know, like me not being able to sit down, like say you were doing like a canon and then like no being able to sit down for like a couple of days or a week or whatever. That's nice, yeah. But it's not like I don't know, like I want shit in peace, man. Yeah, shitting is such a good fucking time. It's something you need to do every day, like you know, like it's like I don't know. I feel yeah. If you had the top five of the best things that you could do in a day, shitting is one of them for me. It's so a bit like a nice. It's not on my list, to be honest. It's not on my list, but I don't want it impeded, you know. I don't even want it in hitting the way it happening, exactly, just a nice shit.

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Like it was just a nice such a good shit.

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Like, you know, like I went up like before the podcast, I was like, have you a minute? I'm just taking a shit, like it's glorious, it's so nice. You get a few minutes alone, you can go on like the tiki talkie and stuff, and like just flop, like it's good, it's nice, it's wonderful. But if I rip it, ow, yeah, no thanks. I use my ass quite a bit because again, in the professional manner, I'm gonna have like people look at my ass and stuff. I don't want it ripped. Yeah, no, it needs to be perfect, yeah. Like 100% like health, yeah, that mate, but yeah, each their own, like yeah, absolutely. If that's your thing, you know, a lot of people think can or just a lot of BDSM in general is like too far. So yeah, absolutely. As someone who it seems like regularly destroys people's assholes, what what are your like top tips for doing that and therefore things people should avoid? Well destroying assholes. Yeah, what's what's your game plan? You're like right, it's looking you nigh. How do? And you can pulse it. It's winking at you. What's your first move? So if you are using a condom or like if you are like raw dogging it in the way of you're gonna have no lube, it's gonna hurt. It it's gonna hurt at at both ends, both the penis and the asshole. Yeah. Because you need lube and like spit isn't enough. No. As we've discussed in the previous episodes, spit isn't enough. Yeah. Um, but if you do want to rip the asshole and spit slash no loop. A spit slash no loop. Yeah. Absolutely all the way. What's your next move? Well, it it also depends on the size of the penis as well. Uh needs to be big enough to like make a rip and like go all full in. Um so knee warm-up straight for the biggest thing. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You have a little bit of a warm-up and then be like, Kapow! Right, yeah. So like ramp straight in. Yeah, yeah. You're there to do some damage. Yeah. Like talk first. Absolutely have a debrief of what is gonna happen in the war room. Yeah, like you need to talk about it. So, like, yeah. I can think of his church now. We're gonna come today. No. So, yeah, we need to like debrief and be like, this is gonna rip your asshole. You need to be prepared. Yeah, it's gonna hurt while shitting, and then when you shit, it's gonna tear as well. Yeah. So this could be weeks exactly in healing. Yeah. It's gonna be a constant battle. And then, like, you could like, I would think, get like hemorrhoids and things like that, and like again, cuts and scars on your ass, uh, on your asshole, just needs to be something you're aware of, absolutely. Just like the health parts in that manner that your asshole does get moist as well. So there's always quite a wet area. It is, it is. Um, especially if like the heavier you are, or like if you go to the gym regularly and things like that. Yeah, you need to definitely uh you can keep it powdered by like baby powder and stuff like that, and that'll keep it dry for a wee bit. I feel like that'll clot it's gonna go into a paste. Yeah, if you're like at the gym or something. It it's it's a tough one because there's not that many, unless you have a cloth there, 24-7, there's not that many ways of like getting rid of the sweat and the leash and things like that. Plus, there's almost the potential it's gonna tear inside as well. Yeah. Rather than it being like actual on the outsides. Absolutely, absolutely. Um, if you have another way of doing it is if you have long fingernails. Yeah. Even if you have oh, that's just me inky fucking one man, one jar for some reason. Oh god. Like I keep my so the people who are watching on Dark Fans or have seen our previous YouTube clips when we were on YouTube, because we moved over to Dark Fans, um, I have one hand, which are stilettos, so they're nice and sharp and long, and then my other hand, it's very, very, very short. Very short. So, like if my nail goes past my finger, I'm cut I'm cutting it. I'm like filing it down because even the littlest of nail can cause a cut and it can hurt. Um, so yeah, I'm definitely getting rid of that. Yeah, um, so there's another one long nails. Yep, long nails. Like, I again in the professional manner, I've seen many dominatrixes and sex workers who have like long nails, and I'm like, You're gonna cut some assholes with that, like if you're doing anything. Maybe that's not a service they offer. Um some of them, yeah. Like, I've seen that happen, they've put gloves on and fisted somebody, and I'm just like that's gonna tear multiple places, and there's gonna be blood, and there's gonna be blood, and it's happened. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I'm pretty sure in prepping we talked about this as well with the nails and stuff. Yeah, yeah, totally. But again, it's a way of making tears and rips. Your nails are really fucking sharp. Um, even if they're fake or real ones, like you have to. I mean, in the case that we're talking about, don't like smooth off your nails or like anything like that. Make make them rackety. Have hangnails, that's it. Make it make them in up to like a fucking dagger. Cool. So we've covered what you're dunking the leading up to, what you did once you're in there. Well, you're exploring every fucking bit, you're touching all around it if you've got your nails. Oh, I mean we like the with the dildo, like what's your movements like? How how are you making this like the worst exp or not the worst experience to everybody, but it really depends on what the person that you're penetrating wants. So you can do it slow, absolutely, and it can be a really slow tear. Or a slow tear, yeah. And then they got like it you can do it slowly, and then all that you could need is just one BAM! Like straight in, yeah. And that could tear it. Um so yeah, you could start off being because I've had roleplays where like I've started off really nice, yeah. Oh, I'm gonna take care of you, yeah, I'm gonna do this, we're gonna do that. Um, started off slow, and then I just turned into an evil bitch. Yeah. Um the evil bitch with like the roleplay. Yeah, of course. What they want, and they describe what I turn into. Yeah. Um, and yeah, like you can go different ways, especially if you're using a big penis or a bigger penis than you would usually use, or if it is your first time with anal, um then yeah, it if the penis feels like fine, go bigger. Yeah. Because you want it to rip. Like if you're used to taking massive dumps in the morning, like your asshole like can potentially handle like an average dick and stuff like that. Um, so like, yeah, if it feels fine, go bigger. Yeah. Because it's not really gonna make a dent. It could possibly, depending on how you use it. Yeah. But I'd suggest going bigger. It's if you're a raw dog in it as well. Yeah. Uh without any lube, then yeah, you're gonna rip, you're gonna tear. It's gonna at least make you red and sore. Yeah. Just from going in and out. Yeah. Um so we're wanting like bigger the better, like big quick, jerky movements. Yeah. Like trying to get it all in at once. Yeah. Every day. See when somebody's breathing as well, uh when they breathe in, their asshole tenses. But when they breathe out, it relaxes. It relaxes. So when somebody's breathing in, fucking get 'em. Yeah. Fucking get 'em. Stop 'em. Stop them with your dick. Because that is like when when they're tensing, like you you've got you you'll be able to do it. Yeah. You'll be able to tear it. But yeah. What about positions? Is there any positions that are better or worse? Would you say with doggy, you can you can hold on to like the hips and stuff like that. Because you've got a lot more like stuff, yeah. Um but you're not as um pressured or anything like that on your back, yeah. As if if you were on your back, there's a lot more pressure on your back and on your ass and stuff like that. So it's I would say go on your back. Because you're gonna feel it a lot fucking warm. Who's on their back? Sorry. Uh the sorry, the person who I'm penetrating. So they'd be lying down and you'd be like kneeling. Yeah. Yeah. Make and then you'd be like, you're getting the the the angles there. Exactly, yeah. Maybe slightly on natural angles. Yeah. Yeah. Just with how it would bend it, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. And it'd hit good good spots. Yeah. So you definitely wouldn't want them like on top. Because at that point they can control. I mean, that would be so say well, I would say that's for afterwards, maybe. There's many scenes you can do. Because you could do afterwards where it's already been teared, and then you can watch them. Yeah. You can watch them jump up and down and see the pain in their eyes. I'm evil sometimes, so that does sound fun to be. Like that sounds hella fun. It's the same as if like you've got um like uh nipple clamps on and you're doing cowgirl, yeah, and somebody's tugging on them, like the it's the facial expressions and knowing what the other person could be feeling and stuff. It's oh how a dynamic, yeah. It's so good. Um, but yeah, you could do it afterwards, yeah. Or if it was a big cock and it was You could get them to sit on the other side of the room, but like, yeah, and like if they haven't sat on it, you could watch them sit on it and watch them tear they're an asshole. And like they're just gonna have to like sit straight down, yeah. Like, yeah, they're in control of it. Yeah, you're just lying there, they've done it to themselves, exactly. So there's so many different fucking inst like scenes that you could do, and it's so fun and so evil, and like oh so good, so good. So to just kinda reiterate and go over covered. If you do not want this to happen, don't do any of this, don't do any of this. Use loop, yeah, use appropriately sized toys for where you're at in your journey. Yeah, train it. Start small, start with clipped fingers, yeah, or a toy, and a small toy, not rather than like a dildo. Make sure, yeah, and make sure the toy is like soft or medium, yeah. You don't want something too rigid, exactly, unless you want a rip and hurt your inside, or that's curved. Because some solid curved things are fine. Uh yeah, but sometimes they're too hard as well. They can be too hard, yeah. I think if you're a beginner and you're starting out, softer is better until you get to know your own body or your partner's body or whatever. Exactly. Um positions do not like ram things straight in, people take it little bit by little bit, make sure everything's coated in lube. Yeah, it does not matter if you use like a full fucking bottle of lube, it is fine, it is okay. You can buy another bottle. Yeah. Well, they're like three quid, you know, then it'd be stingy. Exactly. It's not worth nobody able to eat right for weeks, slash months, potentially. Exactly. Unless that's what you're doing, eh? Fair play. But if you're no Yeah, like the majority of the time you're there to like enjoy yourself and stuff like that. And the person being penetrated going on top's a good idea, I would say, at the beginning.

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Because it means that they can they can control that they can feel no no, them going on top.

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So they're like lowering themselves onto the toy.

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Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because then they can get a better feel.

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So many positions.

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I know it's great. Like where they're at with them. Exactly, and they can take it at their own pace. Exactly. Because for instance, when I do anal, it's like get like slowly pop it in. Yeah. And then a few more like fucking stay there for a minute or two from like the ring of fire to like stock and all that stuff. And then and then you know, usually you please them like that. Like, that's fine, that's fine. But but like, if like you're a seasoned uh anal player, you might just absolutely go in there and like be a black hole. Yeah, that's fine. It might be 20 seconds like four fifths in you, like we've seen at fucking bitches at least not that long ago. Exactly, exactly. That was that was less than 30 seconds, definitely. That was a next but each to their own, you know, if that's your thing. Exactly. Fucking well done, mate. You're smashing it. Yeah, I mean, I it looked like they were smashing in, but it was good. Cool. So we've just got a couple of things less left to discuss. Um the next one's like clear communication, which we've kind of covered a little bit as well, but just kind of yeah, yeah, just talk about it. Talk about it during if you're just starting. Yes, exactly. Don't just sold your own and leave things to the end because it's something that it needs to be talked about. It needs to be talked about, it's very important. Yeah, like I will talk in my sessions, absolutely, even if you're a seasoned player, you I I will talk to you. I really will. Um, I love newbies, I absolutely love newbies. Um, if like I I do the droplet system, so green you enjoy in it, and but not so much, and red you do not like it. Red does not mean stop, you want to stop, then you say stop. Um and while we're doing anal, I will say, like, what colour are you? Yeah, how does it feel? And like I've had people say, Oh, like it hurts, like um around the start of it, like where the asshole is. Um and I'm like, right, okay, does it hurt if I do it fast or slow? Like, whereabouts is this? Because you can figure it out exactly, and like sometimes they they have a cut there and it on the inside and they don't really even realise the things. Um, but no, every little bit, because like I'm not gonna pummel you, and then I I don't want you to be like, Oh, I didn't really enjoy that because like you pummeled me with your dick, and I'm like, Well, you could have said something, yeah, but I feel like I also have a responsibility as well, totally to check in and give people clear opportunities to speak up if they need to, exactly, exactly, yeah. Um, so yeah, communication is absolutely key, no matter in what setting, yeah, before, during, and after. Yeah. Because sometimes things can be fun in the moment and can just hit you a bit different, you know, the whole post-not clarity. Well like I've like been what at least eight inches deep in somebody, and then they've started crying. Yeah. Because they've just had a rush of emotion come across them. Yeah, there's a lot of hormones and stuff that are releasing endorphins, and it can bring things up for people. Exactly. And that's totally normal. Yeah, like he had something go on that week and it really affected him, and he saw me, and you've gave him a place to be vulnerable in. Yeah, like it was very un uh expected him crying and that, but we we cuddled and like and this was him as a sob. Like, I'm fine with cuddling people, especially if they fucking cry. Um, in a professional manner, do not touch me. Uh no, like in a non-professional manner, I'm different. In a professional manner, it's absolutely fine. Um, especially in like aftercare and things like that, and if like if something's happening, because like I've had people who have had like panic attacks and stuff like that because like they didn't like they found out they didn't like gas masks or something like that. And I'm like, I'm here, like it's cool. You can have a wee cuddle or I can leave you alone and you like you can have a glass of water and things like that. Like anything can happen when something this much of an impact is happening, yeah. Um, because a lot of emotions can happen, I think you can have flashbacks and all sorts. Totally, totally like and it can take seconds to just get out of the mood. And I'm not gonna say it ruins it, but it it just changes it and it's something that you need to flow with. Exactly. It just changes where the session was planned to go, but that's also fine. Yeah, totally. I feel like we can decover that a wee bit in the last episode we were talking about, like the hang-ups and stuff, but like I feel like that's why this like the experience you're describing would would potentially be quite common.

Speaker 1: 39:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:45

Because I feel like just with like toxic masculinity, yeah, like this kind of like be a man and like being penetrated, it's not manly, and like all the people that say it's gay, which is like hilarious when it's like a woman and a man having sex in a room, it's so matter what's the it's so hot, like way round that is why does it matter? Like I don't understand, but anyway, like I think because of that it does potentially put someone in a really vulnerable position. Exactly. It's it's testing the like where the lines are, do you know what I mean? Yeah, because um I think in part one maybe of preparing, I discussed that I had a client um recently who was like uh talking about how it was gay and stuff, and I was penetrating him. Um I was like, what the fuck? But I feel like you get a lot of people that like enjoy forced by and like that's quite a lot of like I feel like that feeds into that quite well, like in a fetish way. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, rather than it being the act itself, like that's how they have chosen to view it. Well, this particular person I'm not seeing again, yeah, because of the way he acted, yeah, um, and the way he viewed things, because it was very clear that no matter what I said, that he was he wasn't gonna change his mind or see it the way I saw it, yeah, or give it a chance. Um yeah, because he he what was it? What did he say about submissive men? Or that they're pathetic or something like that. I remember you telling me about that. And I was like, no, actually, they're really not. Like there is sadly a lot still of uh insecure masculinity and all that stuff, toxic masculinity, and it's just ridiculous. And it's like, no man, that that's like old shit. Let go. Yeah. I and I know some people grow with it and stuff, and I'm not sure. We all puff, you know, we're all like victims of the fucking patriarchy in that way that like I don't know, there's there's aspects of that that I still like clock in myself and the way that I view things, and I'm like, Whoa, yeah, you say it's no to even single guys out in this because like I feel like this is something that affects us all. Yeah. But it's just something that it's like a I don't mean what I call a standard, but that's essentially like it's a standard that I feel like men are held to, and that's why it affects them more.

Speaker 1: 42:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:12

Because they feel inferior if they're not meeting this standard, and it's really drilled into them, whereas we're just like kind of viewing it for a far in a sense. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah. It's sad, it's sad in many ways. But yeah, what's the next one? Because we can go on and on about toxic masculinity and stuff, and I've got like I'm sure we'll do a podcast episode mainly about it at some point. Yeah. Um, because I do have like a wee story about a guy who came to see me, and that was oh, that was not a breaking blessing. We'll do that soon, because I think that's an important one. Cool, so uh intoxication and you know, play just in general. Uh okay, so intoxication. Uh I wouldn't really do it under the influence of like drink or anything like that. Yeah, so I wouldn't really use um alcohol or anything like that. I wouldn't really do it on drugs. Yeah. I feel like the big one with alcohol is like because it thins your blood, it means that if you bleed, you're gonna bleed a lot more. And I think if you if you want to be teared, there's quite a high a high probability of tearing in that area. It's another risk. It's another risk to be aware of, even if you're doing everything right. All it can take is one wee, slightly no cut fingernail, you know, like it's quite thin skin in that area. Well, you're talking about thinning the blood and stuff. Poppers do the exact same. Well, this is one of the other risks with using poppers and alcohol when you're doing anal plate, is that if something does get cut, it's going to bleed a lot more than it normally would. Yeah. Um because it thins your blood. Yeah. Yeah. Which can aye. It's not great. Yeah, and um, I think it's the same if you're on like uh diabetes medicine and stuff like that as well. Does that thin your blood? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, okay. And like blood fin and medicine and stuff. Yeah, like aspirin as well as well. Yeah. All that needs to also be discussed in the debrief and afterwards. Any medication that you're on. Yeah. Um, yeah, especially if you're doing it in a professional manner as well. Because I think what it does is it like it makes it means that your blood really struggles to clot. So like if you do get a cut, it's harder for your body to like shut it up. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I know there is um one like a condition. I know there was a condition about chemophilia. Uh-huh. But yeah, any medical conditions or if you've taken any medicine that actually fins your blood, talk about it. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Because especially if you're doing anything else, then it could be really important. Like if you're doing like electrics or um needles or anything like that. Um, even like canings and stuff. Totally. You're gonna you're putting your body through through a thing. Yeah, it's important for the person that's doing that to be aware of anything that makes the act riskier. Yeah. Um yeah, so yeah, I know like with papas, fins the blood, and again, we'll do an episode on it because there is quite a bit we can go over with poppas. Yeah. You you can use them. I mean, you can use fucking anything, really. Um it you just need to know the health risks about it. Like it seems like a logical step to take. Like, if someone's never done an ear before and they're feeling really hung up about it and relax, they want to relax, they want to just like get drunk and go and do it. Like that, if that is that person's choice, that's their choice. But it's just to be aware that it does make it riskier.

Speaker 1: 45:56

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:56

Um, the person doing the penetrating, if they're drunk, they're not gonna be as careful, like they're yeah, they're using an appendage that they can't physically feel. Yeah. It's gonna if they are then drunk, they're not gonna be able to like tell how they're moving things and stuff as well. If the other person's drunk as well, one did they actually consent? Yeah. I uh to usually well for me, I go like quite numb when I drink and stuff. I could that's a really good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I like that's why I can do so many canings if I drink, it's so great. Um, but like, yeah, like for me numbness and whatnot, so they're not they could not potentially feel all of it to the max. Yes. I feel the same with like numbing loops and stuff, because a lot of anal loops come with like numbing like agents in them. Yeah. And I don't like that. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use them, but it's just another caution. It's another thing to be aware of that especially if it's someone's first time, they might not know when something feels wrong. And if you're then numbing that area on top of that, or numbing it with alcohol on top of that, things you're just increasing the risks. Exactly. Yeah, so I wouldn't really drink or anything like that, because you're not all there when you drink. Yeah, you're not all fully there, fully present. Your reactions are slower as well. And if anything does happen, what are you gonna do? Yeah, totally. And the amount of communication we've said that this needs is no the best to be done that will in talk's case. Exactly. Just like the majority of things intimate. Um, I wouldn't advise, especially when it comes to kink, um, doing it under the influence of anything, really. Obviously, you were saying about the canon and but you're meaning like you being on the receiving end of that.

Speaker 1: 47:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:51

And that being something that you were doing with a long-term partner at the time, and it was very like part of that dynamic. Yeah, there was consent and like we knew what the chat was. Yeah, you were well aware of the risks, etc. Exactly. Again, if that's a route people want to go down, it's not to say, like, absolutely do not do this, it's just things to be aware of if that's something you plan to do. Take that into account, put that in the pre-reef and notes, you know. Yeah, like I I personally wouldn't do any kink, especially publicly, um, when it comes to being the one that is drunk, because you never know. We've seen people um cane people and it went wrong, yeah, and do things and it it's not good, it's not nice, it really isn't. It it makes me very uncomfortable. Like having a couple drinks, that's between you and your partner. But if you're like almost blackout drunk and you're physically harming people, exactly. It's it's hard to watch personally, if absolutely it takes a lot for me to be uncomfortable, and that made me uncomfortable. Um, so yeah, I wouldn't really like you're not all there, you really not wouldn't they drive drunk? Why wouldn't they wouldn't they be able to drive that drunk but they're fine harming another person physically and it's the same with anal, you can harm somebody, it's not just with canines and stuff, and yes, I'm a switch. Um so like yeah, um, and it's the same with poppers, um, to the extent where it's like you you can use them, it's up to you. You're you're an individual, it's your own choice. I wouldn't use it with alcohol. There are risks with that and things, which we'll go over in a later episode about poppers. Um, just do your research basically. Do a lot of research. Um, and if you're using any other drug, again do your research. I wouldn't really advise it. No. No, I think that's it. Cool. Our last one is uh prostate milk in. Ooh, prostate milking. See, we're gonna leave on the high rather than talk about the lovely leakage and all that stuff. We're gonna talk about something else coming out. Um yeah, prostate milking, really good, really fun. Is that something that you get asked for by your clients? Yes, yeah. Um, I can absolutely touch a prostate, everything like that. Um, what exactly do you mean by prostate milking? So basically, the fluid within sperm, or like the fluid within semen without the sperm in it, gets stored in the prostate. That's what it gets made. So, like by stimulating it, you can basically make someone have like a quote unquote dry orgasm where like there's no sperm in it, but like spunk still comes in. I'm thinking back to so many memories of when I've had people who can do that. Yeah, because sometimes it just doesn't happen, it doesn't work. This is what I mean. I think this is like the penis owner version of like squirting, yeah. Where it's like it's very body dependent, it's something that a lot of a lot of people probably can do, but it's like a mind game thing, and not everybody's able to do it. Absolutely, absolutely. Like, oh the amount of times that I've done it, I've I'm just so proud. It's like a proper accomplishment, yeah. Because like I've done it, and like some people like they don't expect it. Yeah, like I've had uh clients who have been oh what's it what's this and I'm like huh, this milk jet. Let's go again. They don't they don't have like a physical orgasm, is that right? There's not like the pleasure along with it, it's just the sometimes, sometimes not. Some sometimes they can, yeah. Um the majority of the time I would say that they can. Yeah, cool. Um cool, so it can either be a very intense orgasm or an unusual sensation followed by fluid. So it's that's what I mean by like it's the same as squirting, where it can be like can be paired to an orgasm or like yeah, it can just be a bit strange and then like the fluid comes out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because like the they've been happy either way about it. Totally, totally. It's just a new experience for what you're describing for some people. Yeah, absolutely. Because I'm I've just got magic fingers. But like you can do that as well if like affisting somebody and stuff. Totally. Or during penetration, though that is more difficult. Because this is like that is what we mean by the P SWAT is like hitting this button. Yes. But doing that with penetration is a lot more difficult. Yeah. Just because you're not directly stimulating it like you're with fingers, I guess. Yeah, like with my fingers, curve them and you propagate there. Yeah. You propagate on it, you know. You rub it like a DJ deck. Yeah. Um, but no, they've been oh, it it's so happy. Um when milking actually happens. Because sometimes it doesn't, yeah, which is absolutely fine. Some people just can't do it. Yeah. Um is this coming back to what we're talking about, like it's like a comfort level thing. I think it's like a mind game thing where people like need to relax. They need to relax and let it happen. And like it's that oxymoron. Like, when you try and relax, you're not gonna be able to exactly it's like anal in general, or just anything that like you're nervous about. It takes time and patience and practice. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so like don't be like embarrassed or ashamed or anything like that if like milking the prostate just doesn't happen for you. Absolutely. Like, oh it's okay, it's fine. It as with quite a lot of the kink stuff has originated in the medical fields as a solution to prostitutes, which is basically just like an inflamed prostate, which is something that can happen women as they go older. Um, and we've kind of covered this before when we were discussing chastity and stuff as well. It's a thing that can happen when you don't like orgasm for a long time, because basically the fluid that is in sperm, like no, it gets trapped, but like because it's made in that organ, it kind of builds up over time. Yeah, and this is a way to release it, potentially without sexual release, depending on the person. Yeah, um, but it has like quite a lot of actual like benefits for your body as well, um, because it can like improve blood flow, improve urine flow, uh-huh, and can like provide like pain relief and stuff like that. Oh, so it's got like it's multifaceted, everybody should try it. I've I think if you're listening to any episodes of our podcast, try all of it. Yeah, every bit of it. You all especially dark fonts, yeah. You'll you'll find some stuff out, but no, yeah, prostate milk and I love it. It's so fun, yeah. And you can come afterwards as well. So like if you're a one and done person, um prostate do jo do do do do done, and then you can come after it usually. Um so it's like double the fun in a way. Totally. And sometimes you can go longer with the prostate and go again and again and again and again. Whereas sometimes um you can only come once. Yeah. So like it's another like little alternative as well. Yeah, so it's like multiple orgasms, but for like penis and prostate owners. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, or just a little bit of liquid because as we read up, um it can just be just a little weird sensation. Yeah, like I've I've seen the bit of squirting thing in this one already. Yeah, but you can't. Yeah, so like as I was saying, like I think this is like the the penis owner version of like squirting, where it's like for some people there's an orgasm with it. For some people it's just like a different strange sensation that can either be pleasurable or not, depending on the person. Yeah. Like paired with some fluid coming out. Yeah, it it's like, yeah, I can absolutely relate to that in the way of um where like I've had the fingered and whatnot, and like squirted, but like I haven't orgasmed or anything like that. And then there's been other times where I have. See, I've never squirted an orgasm together. Oh never. I don't know that that's possible for me, yeah, or at least I've never tried it. I've I don't know how it happens, honestly. I have no idea. But like afterwards I'll feel like it pulsating and stuff, and I'm like, oh okay. Like there is for me like a an a difference, yeah. Um, but then it if like for me, I feel like maybe if you go again and again and again and again, then there it just hypes it up, the like feeling of orgasming. Like squirting again. Yeah, yeah. Oh, totally, because this is I've this is how I described it to one of my friends. Like I was saying, like for me, squirting feels like like an orgasm all the way up until the release.

Speaker 1: 57:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:29

And then it changes, so like it feels like I'm gonna sneeze and then I cough. Oh yeah, like or I yawn. Do you know what I mean? Like it gets like I can understand that, I really can, because that's sort of how I feel with the oral. That is exactly how I feel with oral. Yeah. Where like it's nice. But you get the run-up, but you never quite exactly that's where I have to go give me my doxy.

Speaker 1: 57:52

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:53

I need to find something to like push it over the edge kind of thing. Exactly. But for me, like actual squirting is like too much a release. I don't I don't know that it would then do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like I don't know how they two would like they feel like they they live in different houses, but next door to each other. Like I can I can understand that. Yeah. Yeah, like with me. I mean I've squatted getting fucked as well, to be fair, but it mainly works with fingers. Um, so like yeah, it really depends. But oh, it also works with the doxy as well. But yeah, no, I like it it does something the majority of the time, but it doesn't feel as good as like the doxy or something like that. That's what I have trouble with. It's different to like actual orgasm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Like it it just like with like they're mates, they're not like they're not like good mates. Yeah, it doesn't yeah, like it doesn't feel like you've jumped off the cliff if that makes any sense. Totally, totally with um squirting and stuff like that for me at least. I feel like we should do an episode on squirting because I think like rather than speaking about it all just now, we'll we'll have like a proper chat. Because it'd be good to look into like the science and stuff yet, because I know that there's not been loads of vision, but there's been more the last couple years which I've no fully read, so yeah, that would be a good one.

Speaker 1: 59:24

Cool.

Speaker 2: 59:24

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Speaker 1: 1:02:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:32

Um, I think that's around about it. You've got a few markets coming up. I've got a very busy football. Very busy food. Just a little. Oh, for us, we're going back to gain our rookie gathering. I know, I'm so excited. That'll be fun. I'm so excited. So freaking excited. I cannot wait. So excited. But yeah, I think that's it. Yeah, guys. Yeah, we'll see you on the next episode. Bye.