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Hello and welcome back to Behind the Powder Podcast with Me Boss and Victoria. So I've taken a few episodes off. There has been a lot going on recently. Um basically I was on BBC, um, one of their podcasts, so ScottCast, talking about how we do not want a Nordic model and we want decriminalization. The podcast, please definitely go give it a listen. I will link it below. Um, it was okay, it wasn't too bad. There was a few personal questions in there, which really after listening and thinking about it, they were really unprofessional questions, which I really don't approve of. And it just sucks that that is journalism these days, where it's just like, how did you get into this? And like, what are your clients when actually that shouldn't be what it's about? Like, we went there to discuss the Nordic model. So, yeah. And we we went there to discuss about how decriminalization is the safest possible option we could hope for, and the option that we do want, because the Nordic model is proven and has facts and evidence to say that it is dangerous, honestly. But we had that. I might do a podcast episode about it. Just a little snippet. Um it probably would just be to rant, honestly, because of how unprofessional it was. Um, but hey, we got the word out there, and you can see the full video on my Instagram behind the paddle or my personal one, which is Fluffball Dolly, because I do not have a work one. Instagram, like it gets shut down way too easily, too spicy for the internet, but there was we we had that, I think that was on the Wednesday or the Tuesday, and then the Thursday, terrible the times. I think it might have been actually the Wednesday. The Wednesday, yes. We actually went to Edinburgh Parliament and I shared my story about getting charged with brothel keeping. Yup, that is yeah, that's a crazy story. And I did cover it in a previous podcast episode. So if you go back to that, I believe it is a two-parter because I talk about my story, and then in the second episode, I do talk about how to keep yourself safe as a sex worker, and I also do talk about how if you are a partner of a sex worker, you can also be charged because you are profiting off a prostitute. Um yeah, and same with if you're a driver, and it's it's honestly ludicrous the laws that we have right now, and it's why we need to change the laws, and it's why we need decriminalization. So I think once I've recovered from all the backlash, because the Herald also um this Sunday released an article about how sex workers want workers' rights, and there was so so so much backlash. And honestly, it really put me into a pit of depression because even if you don't agree with sex work, wouldn't you want it to be the safest it possibly could be? And for the people who avoid that bloody answer, shame on you. If somebody you knew was doing sex work, you would want it, I would imagine you would want it to be as safe as possible. All we're asking is just workers' rights and to have safety and protection that the workers have. And I it shouldn't be that hard. And it shouldn't really come from a moral standpoint, it should come from a oh, they're doing a job. Like what why why it it just baffles me that people's argument is oh we need the Nordic model because it will bring down the clients, well, no, actually it won't. There is evidence out there to say that it doesn't do that, and in fact, there is evidence out there that when a Nordic model does come in, then you have the more dangerous clients coming to see you, because the more like quote, nice guys or good guys do not want to get criminalized because under the Nordic model they will be criminalized as clients because that is the whole thing with the Nordic model where the clients will be the criminals, where they will be criminalized for wanting and paying for the services of a sex worker. So, yeah, that kind of put me into a bit of depression. I think I will definitely do another episode properly talking about the Nordic model and decriminalization because people just need to get in their heads that decriminalization is very much needed, and I know I'm like five minutes into this podcast episode, which isn't going to be about the Nordic model. I feel like it should be now, but it's not what I've got typed up right now, okay? But yeah, that is what my week has been, and I just feel very overloaded, and so I took Thursday off, so there wasn't I think I took two Thursdays off. Oh no, oh no, um so yeah, I took those days off because I just felt so overloaded and there was just so much going on, and very drained and very depressed that not that many people see that this is a job, and it's it's one of those where it's like, oh, I guess if it's not a job, can I stop paying taxes? And it's like, nope. Like, I don't get any workers' rights, but I still have to pay taxes. Like that that's really fucked, honestly. Um, but yeah, now that I've taken a good few days off, I honestly am very, very excited to do this episode of the podcast. I was like squealing to myself, just like, yay, I get to make another episode. Like, that's that's what I feel like after I've taken a few days off, because it just feels so nice. It does. You feel so re-energized. And so today we're gonna be talking about burgers and ball gags inside munches and play parties in the BDSM world. So if you that this is a good episode, especially if you're new to like the community side of BDSM, and I would definitely suggest exploring that because it's always good to make connections with people and you know you never know what you'll learn from other people as well. So munches and play parties are where kink gets real, not in the abstract, not in porn, not in fantasy, but in person, face to face, flesh to flesh. We're talking about public kink spaces, how they work, who shows up, what really happens, and how these two worlds, the social and the sexual, keep the community alive. So firstly, what we're gonna talk about is what are these events, where did they come from, and what do you actually do at one? So, first off, we're gonna talk about defining the two words. So, munches and play parties, two different things. So, what's a munch? It's a casual non-play social gathering of kinksters, usually in a public space, like a diner, bar, or restaurant. There is no fetishwear, like you just want to dress as casual as possible, really. Like, I will go in like frills and like fr um like my style, which is very out there, but I won't have say a puppy tail in and nothing sexual, like a butt plug or ears. I mean ears aren't sexual, but like you know, it'll clockheads, and it'll be like, ooh, what are they talking about? Or like what are they what what like you don't want to get the wrong attention as well, especially if you are meeting up at like a bar or something that might be drunks, or well just normies, normal people, but yeah, no toys, especially no toys. Like, we ain't bringing floggers or whips or even little pinwheels or like little claws. We're not doing that, alright? And certainly no play that goes on. It's very, very um important that we do not do play in front of non-consenting adults as well. Um, it's it's not a play space, it's a public space which people use, and you didn't get permission to play with anybody when it comes to hiring out a space or going there to just talk. The purpose of munches, well, you can meet up with people, you can meet new friends, you can see what the community is like in that area, and of course you can educate each other. I mean, the amount of times that I've taught somebody something or they've or I've learned from them, it's wonderful, honestly. I've I really find joy in sharing knowledge with each other, and it's so fun to me, especially when you talk to somebody about like a scene, um, so like an experience they have had, and you go, Oh, that's pretty cool. I want to try that next time on whoever I'm playing with or just myself. And you know, you don't have to talk about kink at all. You you can talk about the nerdiest stuff, you can talk about like things like if you just moved, you can talk about maybe not politics. Um I feel like maybe a few majority of kinksters, we we we are probably lefties. But when you talk about politics, it can be honestly quite a downer for a good amount of people. So I would probably not talk politics. That would be something maybe one-to-one with the person who you've made a connection with. But you also don't have to make a connection with somebody, like usually there can be a few people at the munch, and like there's no pressure to make a connection, there's no pressure to talk to people, like you can leave whenever you want. You don't have to stay. It's just a social gathering, and I know that here in Scotland we have board game munches where you just play board games, and we've got arcade munches where you go around the arcade and you play games and you talk to kinksters. Um, what other munches? We have um a femdom munch where you know that's quite self-explanatory, just uh dominant women munch. Um, what else? Oh, there is a pet play munch, which I've been to a few times. Sadly, it's on a Sunday. I can never do anything on a Sunday, but it is really cool and it's done by a good friend who is really good at what they do and they know the craft. And yeah, I think as well, um, I'm not too sure that there was like a latex munch or um in Edinburgh by another friend as well. And I know that there's like a kinky picnic, which again is just another munch. So yeah, there's there's a few different types of munches usually going on in a city. So what's a play party? A play party is a private or semi-private event where kink play is explicitly allowed and often celebrated. So, you know, it might be held in a dungeon, a private home, rented studios or clubs. Um so it can range from non-sexual scenes to full sexual encounters. So the clubs which I've been to usually sometimes they are from swinger clubs or they're from nightclubs. I mean, there are some nightclubs who will let you hire like the basement ground, um, and you can be to yourself, and you know, sometimes you can't show um private areas, but sometimes, you know, you can show tits. It doesn't really make that much sense, but you know, censorship. But sometimes you can't have insertables. So depending on where you are, always just ask the rules and also ask if they have any rules where if you do certain plays um that they might not like in a way that they might consider edge play, then just double ask if you need to do that behind closed doors or you can do that out in the open. Um, a very famous play party, I would say, to again to some extent, is Torture Garden, which is a very good example where it is a play party because you do have play. Not uh, I don't believe you can just shag, I think it's just like impact and things and not insertables, but then you've got like the swinger clubs which do kink nights, and I will do an episode about how the swinging culture is very, very different from kink culture, and it very much is a divide. Um, respect is a massive factor in that, and we could go into that another time. So, a brief history from leather bars to dungeon culture, pre-1970s, most kink play hidden in private homes or underground clubs, alright? And then the 70s to 80s, leather scenes formalizes in gay male culture, public bars become semi-place faces in the 90s, munches popularized by news groups and early websites in the 20s to in the 20s, oh my gosh, in the 2000s to the 2010s, Fetlife. I like to refer to it as the kinky version of Facebook that expands and basically FetLife you can not yeah, but you can basically it's it yeah, you advertise your munches because somebody runs them, and like some munches you do have to pay some money towards or donate or some are just free. But yeah, FetLife is where where I find munches and play parties and even markets, kink markets. Um, I honestly couldn't say where else I would find um advertisement for munches. Yeah, FetLife is it is quite dominating in that way. And then today you've got the global explosion of themed parties, sex positive venues, and inclusive munches. Yeah, so today's scene isn't just dungeons, it's brunch meetups, masked garlas, and everything in between. There is so many fun events. If you I haven't went yet because this bitch ain't got time, but there is the German fetish bowl, which looks absolutely amazing, and they have like multiple dates, and definitely if you can go to that, go to it, it looks absolutely awesome. So, who goes to these munches and plate parties? These events are not just filled with dominance and lever, so we're gonna break it down. So, munches again, you can meet so many different people, you can meet newbies who are just curious and lurking, and that is fine. That is absolutely okay to be curious and to be lurking as long as it's not creepy. You won't be creepy, I'm sure, but like it'll be fine, and then you have you've got the veteran doms and subs and just the veterans who have been in the community for many, many, many years, and then you've got again, you've got so many roles you could just include in this list, whereas like you've got the littles, um, you've got the rope bunnies, you've got the polycules. Oh my god, there's so many polycules in kink is crazy. You've got the switches, you've got all sorts. So at play parties, you can find established couples with a DOM sub relationship. You will have experienced people there who um have been to that event most likely. You've got voyeurs for people who just want to watch. You might even have people who are doing rope or suspension. It depends on what event you're going to and who their audience is. So, for example, if you're going to like a pet play play party, then you'll see pups. You might see ponies, you might see kittens, and you might see owners. You might even, to be fair, see like daddies and mommy-doms there because some dynamics just mesh with each other. Because me myself, I am a pup and I'm also a little as well as a brat. And if my partner was to go there, they would most likely be a daddy and an owner. See, you can, yeah, you can also be like multiple roles. Like, there is no rules. You can feel more like a daddy in the moment in that space, or you could feel more like an owner in that space. It just depends how you feel. And sometimes you might not feel like anything, which is completely and utterly fine. Yeah, there might also be like exhibitionists who are planning elaborate scenes. You might see guests in full latex or street clothes, depending on the dress code. Now, yeah, depending on what you're there for, you might come. Dress normally and then you might change. Once you're there, I mean, I know me, I will wear latex wherever I can. And I very much look forward to wearing latex wherever. I have so much latex, it's crazy. It's nice. I love latex. I was asked previously what was um my favorite like fabric, and I was just like latex. And they were like, why? And I was like, the smell, the feel, have you heard it? But the person I was talking to was like not that much of a fan of latex uh latex, and I was like, it's fine, it's okay. I will just like love it and admire it, and like I love how it sticks to the body and gives you a shape and it's nice, it's wonderful. So, what happens at munch? I feel like we've kind of gone over this. Um, you arrive, and like if you're nervous, completely fine. I know that even after being in the community for like oof, about 10 years, I still shit it. Like, whenever I'm walking into a venue, especially on Fet Life where nobody really uses their real name, or sometimes real pictures, so like you don't know who this person looks like, you've probably just seen their tits and ass. And so, yeah, you get really nervous, and that's okay. Um, there should be like a host or a greeter to welcome you, and they might also give you a name tag. Love name tags, they're really great. Um, you always know if you're in good company as well when they ask your pronouns, which is chef's kiss, beautiful. Um, sometimes, you know, the place where you meet up, you might be able to order food and drink, and you know, you can just sit and chat and talk about like movies or jobs, or maybe not jobs, that's hoof. Um, or like nerd stuff. Like somebody recently said that the last time they went to a munch, they literally just talked about Star Trek. So honestly, you will probably find somebody who has things in common with you. You just need to find that. But remember, no touching, no play gear, you're not doing any scenes or anything like that at a munch. You're just talking. So for play parties, I know that some of them they will vet you before you actually turn up. And yeah, yeah, actually that is true. Yeah, I was just going in my head about the most recent ones, which I've gone to, and they did vet. Um it's it's a safety thing. They'll probably ask you for your fet name, might be real name. I know that when I did my own events, I asked you for like everything, basically. Um, I asked you for like your address, I asked you for your full name, um, I asked you what your FET life name was, or like, yeah, yeah, that was round that's it. Um, because you don't know what will happen at the end of the day. I might need to call um emergency services, or I might need to just double check that you're home. Um yeah, they gave me their phone number as well. That was it. Like, it's all safety and safeguarding, and I feel like if you're afraid to give that information out, I would feel concerned if you turned up to my if you wanted to come to my play event and you didn't want to hand over just simple safety information. Um, yeah. Each to our own, but I would prefer to be safe, honestly. And of course, we want to make sure that you are over the age of 18. So usually at a play party, they will give you a tour of the venue and they will tell you the rules, they'll tell you like the hard limits, they might show you where you can give aftercare, and they'll show you like the toilets and like where to play, and if there are any toys available for you to play with. Sometimes um at a play party, you can just bring your own stuff. The majority of the time it is a bring your own toys. You can just double check that beforehand, but the majority of the time it is bring your own toys. Um, and again, you don't have to join in with any of the play. You can just watch. But if you do want to join in with any of the play, consent. Some people like you can't just go up to a person and go, oh, can I hit your wife or whatnot? Like, can I can I hit your husband? You can't do that. You need to ask consent, please, please, please, please. Right, we're gonna go into um the rules, okay? So do not interrupt a scene. I have seen this many times, and I have had my scenes being both sub and dom um interrupted, which really brings the person, but the people who are playing in that scene out of it, and it is not fair whatsoever. Um do not interrupt. If you weren't a part of that conversation before that scene happening, bugger off. Like don't don't open your mouth. If you have a good relationship with a person and they are okay with like you um going ooh uh or like laughing, depending on the scene, if you know them, then you know you might have consent there. But if you don't know that person, then just look. Um, don't lurk too close, like don't get too close. We all have our boundary lines. If you think you're about to cross that boundary line, then it's very clear that you have to think about it. So back the fuck up. Um again, no touching without consent. Don't be putting off other people. Um, and say for instance, if somebody's walking around with a rope harness or some rope bondage, and you go up to them just out the freaking blue, or just like you try to start a conversation midway through the conversation, you reach out and touch the rope, don't. That is you didn't unless you ask consent, then that is a massive consent violation. Just don't do that. It should be very simple. Um, in a lot of play spaces, um, there is no phones and there is no photos. You can probably, depending on the rules, again ask the people who are doing the play event if you can take a picture in, say, like the locker room. Um, because that's really the only place I've known to take pictures, unless they have like a professional photographer and you can ask him to take pictures of you and things. And as well, any play parties, they will tell you who the DMs are, who the dungeon masters are, and they are the ones who are overlooking all the play, usually in certain areas, and if you need any help, go up to one of them. They will know what to do and how to deal with it. They should do. Like many kingsters say the first time they felt real in their identity was at a munch or a party. The first time you walk into a munch or a dungeon, your whole body might say turn around. But something deeper might say stay. Hopefully that's my voice. Because this is where fantasy becomes community, where rules become rituals and where you stop being alone, or where you find new friends, or new play partners, or your new like actual partner. Like you never know, you never know what life will have. So, how to find munches or play parties again. Fetlife is a very good pick. Um, I don't know, I don't know a bigger platform, honestly, where it is just full kink. Um the subreddits sounds a bit shady. Um, but you've also got Discord servers. I know a lot of BDSM communities that have Discord um servers. You will also find on Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it, there can be advertised uh play parties and munches there. But honestly, I would probably just stick with FetLife because on FetLife, you've got the profile, you've got hopefully history of that person, and you can do a little bit of digging and whatnot. You yourself need to vet the event. So, like who is hosting it? Who are they known by? Are they in anything like toxic or any controversies? You do sadly need to dig sometimes to see if the person who is hosting the event is a good person. And is there an organizer you can message with questions? The majority of the time, yes. And does the listing include like the location type, um, code of conduct, dress code, double triple check, all of those? And trust your gut. So another thing when it comes to munches, most likely in the information part, like the description, it will say when you walk in, you can ask the venue owner or staff, oh, I'm here for the board game meetup. Something like that. Like, it won't be something as obvious as the kink munch or the Fet Life Social, something like that. It would more be like a code name rather than hey, we're kinky motherfuckers over here, come see us, you know? So yeah, conversation tips, like you don't need to start with like your kink resume, and you you really don't want to start with like I've done this on that and that and this and this and I've so have so many years. You can say you're a newbie and whatnot, that's completely fine. Um but like you don't you don't need to like roll off everything you've ever done. Yeah, I'll I'll let you think about how you would feel if somebody said that to you. So you could just start with like, hi, I'm new, this is my first munch, how did or like little conversation start, it's just like how did you get into the community? Like very much avoid just like what are you into? Or anything overly sexual, like keep it social. It was so sweet the other day because like um I was filming porn, casual, right? Um, I was filming porn and the photographer, well, the videographer, um, first time meeting him, and I my autistic mind, like I've learned to like try and phrase things as like maybe like neutral but like not rude. And like I said to him, I was like, so are you kinky? And he it was so sweet because like props to me, I feel because he was like, Oh, that is like the nicest way somebody's ever said, like, are you into kink to me? I was like, Oh, really? And he was like, Yeah, because sometimes people just go like too in-depth to try and find like what roles I am, and I was like, Oh, yeah, I didn't want to really be that forward, and like, yeah, you just don't want to be too forward, like just stay on like the baseline, or like in in your head, if you can imagine it, just like the starting point, or like outside of the quite vulnerable and intimate questions, but yeah, because like it's not really the right time, especially when you've just met somebody. I mean, if you see a dynamic with that person, or if you see them at a play party, then I think go for it. Um if you've previously seen them before and like you can see like they're wearing ears or they are Yeah, just just get to know the person first rather than just going for those questions. So when you go to a munch, again, just wear street clothes, wear what you would wear to any venue. Do not dress for a dungeon, don't don't wear anything fetish or anything like that. Like your job at a munch is to show up and be respectful and be yourself um as much as you're ready to be. There is again no pressure. And so for a play party, before you go, it's good to confirm if it's an open party or invite only. I feel like if it is getting close to the date, then you need to establish, you know, is it invite only? Do you need to be read beforehand, or is it just a free-for-all? Um, you know, figure out the dress code, see if they have a theme. I absolutely hate it when events put something out on one social media where like, oh, this is the theme, and then they don't put it out on another social media, and so you turn up and like you're not in the theme because you didn't know about it because it wasn't posted on all social media, which is really annoying. But I would say if you can find them on other platforms, go for it, see if you can. Um, ask at play parties, um, maybe before you go, if nudity is allowed and what um sexual um contact, if you can have that, and like what's the code of conduct here? Again, don't be afraid to message the organizers. That is their job with being organizers. They need to make sure that everything is functioning right, and the people who they're letting in have all the knowledge they need. Um, some play parties might actually get you to put a sticker over your phone camera. That is perfectly normal. I've seen that a good few times. And you might only be able to get your phone out in like the locker room, something like that. You won't be able to walk around with it or anything, just because you know you don't want to out people because not everybody is out as kinky. And you gotta remember that. If you have just seen a scene happen at a play party, definitely don't go up to the people just right after they've done the scene. Let them have their own aftercare, don't be rushing in. Just I'm sure you'll see them at the bar, I'm sure you'll see them like getting changed or something like that. And that's where you can approach them and be like, that was really cool. Or if you have questions. Or you could just go up to them and be like, hey, do you have fit? Do you mind if like I follow you on FET and I ask you a follow-up question? I can talk to you afterwards and I'll let you get on with your day and like relax and things, because clearly that scene was um quite a lot for you both, and I don't wanna bother you guys. You know, something along those lines, like just be respectful. Oh, yeah, some venues um they might not allow you to bring alcohol, depending on the venue, or it might be bring your own alcohol, because they might not have like a liquor license or anything like that. Um, yeah, and again, I would say like don't brag, don't lecture, don't teach unless you've been like asked. Like you just don't want to seem like a dick, honestly. Um, I remember one of my first introductions to somebody in the community, they came up to me, they held their hand out, and they went, Do you know who I am? And I was like, No. Uh I know. I actually did, I actually did, and I was like, Yes, I already don't like you. Like, it's all about how you seem to other people, and you just need to have freaking respect. Like, I would I would say I'm quite known in the community, and I would never ever assume that somebody knows who I am, and it's absolutely lovely when people do know who I am, but I would still never freaking assume. I it's just I don't know. Like, yeah, I will like would I brag? I don't know, dude. I really don't know. I'm like questioning, um, because people have come up to me and it usually like nobody knows my personal name really, but like they'll come up to him, they'll be like, Oh, Victoria, porcelain, you do this, you do that, oh I've seen you here and whatnot, and like um, it's nice, it's a fucking big ego boost, but I don't go around saying, Do you know who I am? Or like teaching people how shit is done. I can absolutely tell you potentially another way of doing something and it might improve, I don't know. But like, I don't know, it's just fucking some people, some people, man, no, and like you can absolutely follow around um I said dungeon master, but it's a dungeon monitor. You can follow around a dungeon monitor um and ask them for guidance because like they're they're the safety team, they're there to make sure um your answers, your questions are answered, and everybody is kept safe. So hey, you know, they will be able to help. And when you're at your first like play party, or just any in general, you do not need to play with somebody, okay? Because playing with somebody it takes a whole lot of trust. And like you need to also negotiate clearly, and you need to have your safe words, you need to have your traffic light colours, and they need to know your triggers. And are you gonna feel safe being touched or restrained or watched by multiple people? Being watched by multiple people. Oh well, you know what? I don't know what scene you're gonna have, so you never know. Dungeon monitors, um, also known as dungeon masters, apparently. It just sounds cool, but I guess monitor is um the right word. Um what they watch out for is again safety, so like if there's any unsafe rope or consent violations, or a submissive gives like non-verbal distress movements or noises, you know, like um maybe malfunctioning gear or somebody who's giving neglected aftercare or edge play, which is crossing pre-agreed boundaries. I know that some play parties they you have to tell them everything you're going to do um beforehand. So everybody in that room or coming into the room knows that if they are gonna see any of their triggers, or yeah, or they're prepared to see what they're gonna see, basically. And so also the dungeon monitors know what is gonna go on and know that the scene's running smoothly, basically. Again, they are there for your safety. Some play parties, you do have like coloured wristbands, and of course, like there might be like one big safe word, and sometimes you will have like name tags. I know that dungeon monitors will have like some sort of uniform, whether that be just a lanyard and their own outfits or a name tag, something like that. And last thing, I think. Well, last little thing. Um, there might be scenes that like go too far and scenes that might go wrong. I have seen it where submissives are crying their eyes out because DOMs have not listened when they have said stop or like don't hit me there or go slower, and it's just not gone well. Um, just leave them be. Try and not be like too phased out because I know how it can take you out of not necessarily well, yeah, the mood and like it can make you feel uncomfortable. And yeah, you need your own aftercare, especially after watching something like that. Um, definitely if you have any concerns, uh definitely go up to a dungeon monitor and you know say to them, hey, I think this might not be right or whatnot. Yeah, it it doesn't happen that often, but I'm not saying that it's not gonna happen. Some people do not have a good time at kink events, and it's sad, but it's the reality. And of course, if you do play with somebody, please remember about aftercare. There might be designated uh aftercare zones. There might even be food and water at the place where you can hydrate. Um, there might be quiet places. Hell, you could even bring like a hairbrush with you to like brush your um submissive hair or to get your submissive to brush your hair. You know? Do do what makes you both like feel comfortable or you yourself, because you can go to a play, um, a play event and just like tie yourself up and whatnot, like and humiliate yourself in front of people. Humiliate yourself in front of people in a way of like that is your goal, okay? Not connected to tying up. But yeah, honestly, that's probably that's it. You will obviously um feel the adrenaline um from doing like a scene or just feeling nervous. But it's okay, we have all been there, and you just have to remember that, and it'll be okay. But yeah, please check out the previous episodes that I have done about aftercare and different types of dynamics. But this has been talking about munches and play parties, so they're not just events, they're living temples of consent, places where you stay, places where you say, This is who I am, and someone looks at you in the eyes and says, Welcome. We've been waiting for you. Whether you're sipping fizzy pop at your first munch or shaking from aftercare in a blanket, you belong, and that is the heart of the scene. This has been Behind the Paddle Podcast with me Pulse and Victoria, and I hope you have enjoyed this episode. I think I will probably do an episode on the Nordic model. I feel like I already have. I have done so much when it comes to um sex work because w we did previously two episodes about prostitute cautions, and that was when I went down to London to speak about my story, which at the time was like my friend's story because I couldn't officially talk about it, and that was speaking at the House of Commons, which was absolutely amazing. But yeah, definitely check out those those episodes because they talk about police brutality. Boo, a cap. Um hey, I have evidence and real-life experiences, is not fun. But I will double check um what exactly I've done because I can't look right now. But I do wanna do an episode just on like why decriminalization if I haven't already. I can't I don't feel like I haven't. But I also want to do an episode about comparing the Nordic model and the crimin decriminalization. So I d I think I did do an episode about yeah, definitely follow us on Behind the Paddle Podcast on Instagram. I barely use Twitter X for Behind the Paddle anymore, just because it doesn't get enough attraction. Um very shadowband and algorithm and stuff like that. Um but yeah, I did do a podcast episode about punishing the wrong people, how criminalizing sex work hurts trafficking victims. So I do believe I spoke about the Nordic model. Um yeah, criminalizing sex work. So definitely go listen to that because on Sunday um I gave myself trauma with talking to planks of wood um about the Nordic model and how it's worse. And you know, people some people just don't listen even to the facts because the Nordic model will harm trafficked victims. So please go listen to that episode. I'm so gonna do an episode about a Nordic model just in general. Yep, because I haven't properly done an episode just solely on a Nordic model, so you know what? That is gonna be oh so bliss, it will be. But yeah, thank you so much for listening to Behind a Badder Podcast. I am Possum Victoria. If you do like these podcast episodes, please give us a rating on Spotify, Apple, wherever you're listening, it really, really does help. And yeah, I very much appreciate everyone listening. It's been a bit of a dark time this week, again, just because of the backlash that us wanting decriminalization and rights, and just everybody, well, a chunk of people on the internet who do not want us to have rights and protection and stuff like that. And yeah, it's just affected my mental health a little bit, and it's been really lovely hearing people um email in and say how the they really enjoyed the podcast episodes and it means a lot to me. So yeah, all the mushy shit over. Goodbye.